Canepa Porsche

[smiles11]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

The trans number is ground off,,, Dave, Canepa or CTC is not going to be able to definitively state that the trans is original to the car. Only a serial number and type stamped on that case is going to prove it. There’s already a COA listing the trans number, yeah???

What am I missing here? Are we still discussing the ivory Targa?

Different car.

[smiles11]

Originally Posted by speedster911

Reach out to the Porsche classic dealer near them and get their opinion on Canepa. Obviously a reason why I suggest you do this.

Spoken with them several times in the past & recently. Lots of history I won’t divulge on. I do my business with them & definitely trust their advise.

This just so happens to be the first time I’ve shown interest in one of Canepas examples.

[Jeff Alton]

This thread is a wee bit hard to follow.

Are we talking about a car, advertised as matching numbers, asking premium dollars, yet the numbers are ground off the transmission?

Let us know, as responoses will vary greatly depending on the answer...

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by smiles11

Received response from Allan on the car:

"I have additional information, and a possible solution to the numbers matching.

Since a Porsche CTC dealer is the only one able to verify numbers matching components our suggestion is that they send a technician to our location as we do not want the car driven. The technician will have his own stall and lift and can examine the Carrera to whatever extent is needed. Unfortunately, a continency based contract with post-sale CTC is not possible. To this end we have reached out to Redwood City Porsche to see if they are willing to accommodate this request; however, you can contact Monterey or any other Porsche CTC dealership if you would like.

Clarification – it is not that we are opposed to a contingency contract, it is that we do not want the vehicle to run the risk of any possible damage by driving, transporting or work being done at another dealership. Unfortunately, Redwood City Porsche is not a CTC dealership, as you are probably aware there are very few in the country let alone in this area with the exception of Monterey. Please feel free to reach out to Monterey to see if they will accommodate your request for a remote inspection."

I've requested PoM to do a remote inspection even though I know they won't agree to it. Bruce won't allow a stipulation in the purchase contract even though he 'guarantees' it to be numbers matching. They won't transport or drive the car to PoM for the CTC to close the sale. The car shows a reported theft that I'm being told was misreported by the previous owner on the Carfax.

Probably a pass on this one.

That is a "you're not the sucker we're looking for" statement.

Given that this is a company that will drive real 917s down the city street, the fact that they won't even let the car be transported says all you need to know about the numbers on that car. They don't want your money

[smiles11]

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton

This thread is a wee bit hard to follow.

Are we talking about a car, advertised as matching numbers, asking premium dollars, yet the numbers are ground off the transmission?

Let us know, as responoses will vary greatly depending on the answer...

Yes it started off a bit confusing. Sorry about that.

Let me summarize. I inquired on a car with Canepa. The car is not being advertised as numbers matching. However, after seeing the car & speaking to Bruce. He guarantees the engine & transmission numbers will be a match. I followed up to get a CoA & they say there isn’t one.

So my original question was really based on Canepa & his reputation. Should I be second guessing him & his word? Etc…

[smiles11]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

That is a "you're not the sucker we're looking for" statement.

Starting to look that way.

[Marc Bixen]

Originally Posted by smiles11

Yes it started off a bit confusing. Sorry about that.

Let me summarize. I inquired on a car with Canepa. The car is not being advertised as numbers matching. However, after seeing the car & speaking to Bruce. He guarantees the engine & transmission numbers will be a match. I followed up to get a CoA & they say there isn’t one.

So my original question was really based on Canepa & his reputation. Should I be second guessing him & his word? Etc…

Yes, Question his B.S. 100%, but also question anyone selling cars of that caliber. No car is worth dealing with him! In the end, you'll be disappointed no matter the condition of the car.

[GG Allin]

There was a thread here on Pelican, possibly Rennlist a few years back about a 993 Turbo sold by him with major accident damage that was not repaired right. More details to it than that. It's mentioned in the F Chat thread linked above.

[GG Allin]

Found it.

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-turbo-forum/525363-dealer-sold-me-salvaged-turbo-no-disclosure-3.html

[smiles11]

Thanks guys. Yeah that story sounds similar to mine. The car I’ve shown interest in shows a ‘reported stolen’ record that lasted two weeks in December 2001 that wasn’t disclosed. I brought that nugget to their attention.

[Matt Monson]

Keep shopping.

[Marine Blue]

Agreed, not worth the risk especially if you’re spending top dollar on a car. They should bend over backwards to accommodate any requests if they expect top dollar IMHO.

[Mehoff]

Originally Posted by smiles11

Long story short, I want to pay up for the perfect long term AC car, and my one requirement is it be a numbers matching car

This statement stood out to me. Does AC mean something other than Air Conditioning?

I ask because, unlike MOPAR or Corvettes, original AC adds zero value on a vintage Porsche. If you want AC, you’re better off finding the exact car you want and adding vintage air, which 1) can be easily undone and 2) won’t have to be because useless it’s an RS you wont get dinged for it. The old AC on Porsches is hot garbage anyway.

[smiles11]

Originally Posted by Mehoff

This statement stood out to me. Does AC mean something other than Air Conditioning?

I ask because, unlike MOPAR or Corvettes, original AC adds zero value on a vintage Porsche. If you want AC, you’re better off finding the exact car you want and adding vintage air, which 1) can be easily undone and 2) won’t have to be because useless it’s an RS you wont get dinged for it. The old AC on Porsches is hot garbage anyway.

Sorry. Air cooled

[Jeff Alton]

He "guarantees it" lol

One does not grind the numbers of an engine or a transmission to preserve and prove its authenticity..... That is only done for one reason, which is the opposite of preserving authenticity....

Look for a different car and seller....

Cheers

[Mehoff]

Originally Posted by smiles11

Sorry. Air cooled

Oh good lord, I’m an idiot.

[917_Langheck]

If this is the same 'box in question, that serial number has been worn away on the road. Whether intentionally or not is subject to debate, but that large flake taken out of the right side of the boss, inline with the deep groove, is indictive of having been chipped by a fixed object as the transmission passed over it. Given the doubt surrounding the presumed seller it cannot be ruled out that it was worn away while driving the car without torsion bars....

[Matt Monson]

^ I’m pretty sure that gearbox is in the car he already owns.

[mepstein]

All it takes is one speed bump to grind the numbers off a trans. Happens all the time. Lots of smart people have made mistakes on cars so if numbers are important to you, you have to do your due diligence before money trades hands.

[darrin]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

^ I’m pretty sure that gearbox is in the car he already owns.

FWIW, I believe @Smiles911 is looking at multiple cars -- the one with the gearbox numbers issue is the cream colored targa with the 2.7 conversion that, as I understand it, is with/from a different seller and (if I recall correctly), his mechanic found other markings indicating a 2/74 build date for that transmission. The Canepa car is, as I understand it, a different car.