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RickM 01-13-2005 05:25 AM

If anyone ever drops their 3.2 turbo converted engine please take pics of components and fitment. A close-up ducumentation would be priceless.

YermanCars 01-13-2005 08:23 AM

Rick, when are you going to do it?
you have been asking the same questions for years now.
I 'm not knocking you but, you will never know how it is unless you have it or do.

i was asking the same questions when I wanted to do mine.
I said screw it Im just going to do it

RickM 01-13-2005 09:10 AM

Same questions? Maybe asking for pics but otherwise I'm not thinking so.
For years? Yes.
Have I not offered as much info as I've asked for?...from component pics to early magazine article scans and site links.

Turboing my own car is a large project....to me.
I want to do it myself and understand as much of it as possible. Understanding the fundamentals is one thing and understanding how each component/sub-component works and how they all work together is much more involved....to me. Much of this info is hard to find or not available.

As you may know I have the majority of the J-pipe components. However, as I've learned about this modification I've also reconsidered and want to do an intercooled rear mount system instead.

So, the more I dig into it the more there is to learn. Yeah, I'm slow and maybe a bit dense but I'll get there.

I'll be asking more question in the next few weeks as well. ;)

Wil Ferch 01-13-2005 10:33 AM

RickM:
No need to make excuses or explanations on the pace of your progress...

Many of us ponder and re-analyze before we "do"....

Others attack fully right away, and re-do as necessary....

We're all different.... ( but the same !!)

Wil

sammyg2 01-13-2005 11:14 AM

Here is the answer to all your needs:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=201307

All you have to do is jump on it before you lose out.

tsuter 01-13-2005 11:41 AM

Pretty funny Sam. Some people walk, Some people walk the talk.
And some people (actually quite a few) just talk.
I think we know who they are.....

RickM 01-13-2005 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
Here is the answer to all your needs:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=201307

All you have to do is jump on it before you lose out.

Sam, Thanks for the link. This is what I have now. But want to do the rear config.

Wil, I agree on not having to explain myself. But my response was not meant to be defensive either. Some projects just happen quicker than others.

sammyg2 01-13-2005 12:45 PM

I know what you mean tsuter, but I wasn't trying to be funny at all, just pointing out an opportunity.

When I decided to put a supercharger on my Chrysler hemi (early 80's) I didn't know what I was doing, I just did it. I got it working pretty good (over 1000 hp) but during the learning process I managed to break a rod. Expensive lesson.

When I decided to turbocharge my 2 liter 914 I just jumped in and did it, the car actually turned out very well but later I wished I'd used CIS instead of the pull through weber.

When I turbocharged the 911 I was much more tentative even though I had the BAE kit. Something about not wanting to make another expensive mistake, or maybe I was getting wiser in my old age. I took my time thinking about it but when it was time to install it I had it running in a couple of days.

I admire someone doing research and homework but eventually you have to git to gettin and start building. Everyone has a different schedule of when that point is reached.
Some jump in too quickly while others never jump in at all.
Somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot.

WydRyd 01-13-2005 05:04 PM

RickM, don't worry. You can always pick my brains about the conversion. I have learnt a great deal about the system by picking Todd's brain and learning from my own system/setup.

Take your time and get an understanding of how it works and what's involved ;)

raceman 01-14-2005 08:23 AM

my 3.2 conversion is almost done.l still need to get fuel lines made for the FMU.l`ll post some pics..

RarlyL8 01-14-2005 08:45 AM

Rick - you have to be true to your own style and understanding.
I have to beat a topic to death and beyond for my own comfort. I don't really care if it bothers others.

YermanCars 01-14-2005 08:51 AM

OK i'M THE BAD GUY
i DIDN'T MEAN IT AS A BAD THING
IT IS NOT WRONG TO ASK QUESTIONS

BUT, IF YOU WAIT TO LONG IT MAY NOT HAPPEN

OH RICK, I AM SELLING MY STAGE ONE PROTO CHIP IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, i AM GOING W/ A STAND ALONE UNIT SO I WONT NEED IT ANYMORE. :D

RickM 01-14-2005 09:06 AM

Yerman,

You're not the Bad guy lol

Forced induction on my 911 went from curiousty to a Hi-want yet low priority project...if that makes sense.

How many pins is your chip? I have the 28 pin and wanted to copy and burn to 24 but the code is encrypted. I know I can convert the socket but I'd rather not.

The other option is to go with the megasquirt with programmable ignition capabilities.......it never ends.....


BTW, thanks for being cool, guys. I consider all of you good friends.

thrown_hammer 06-22-2005 09:49 AM

Bump.;)

sammyg2 06-22-2005 10:23 AM

Wow, vuja de ;)

Old threads never die.
Nuthin to add 'cept my car is still running great, and i bought an intercooler off'n a turbo RX-7, gonna modify it to fit. I did the math, it should be just about right for my application.

Way back in this thread an opinion was offered, basically that bigger is better when it comes to intercoolers. Nope. Not even close.

Air flow, heat of compression, and throttle response dicate the intercooler size.
You could put an intercooler the size of Montana on your car, the only thing you would gain is an incredible amount of turbo lag and terrible throttle response.
It takes time to pressurize an area, the larger the volume the longer it takes to pressurize it, hense the turbo lag thing.
An intercooler should only be as large as is required, no more. If it is bigger than it needs to be it is too big.

I plan to run no more than .65 bar, my turbo should be fairly efficient at that setting after i upgrade my muffler. So..... not that much heat of compression, the area of the intercoooler will be large enough, the inlet and outlets are big enough to flow the air without much restriction at all, and it isn't as big as Montana so throttle response shouldn't be affected enough to notice.
Plus it is designed by Mazda, and we all know those Mazda engineers are smarter than I am ;)


There. That should be enough to draw the theorists out of the woodwork :)

charlesbahn 06-22-2005 10:31 AM

My Protomotive turbo is still running strong. I love it.

air-cool-me 06-22-2005 11:01 AM

sammyg2, did you use corky bell's 6 square inches of flow area per 100hp?

david.avery 06-22-2005 11:12 AM

I'm waiting to see what Souk at motomotions comes up with SmileWavy

thrown_hammer 06-22-2005 11:36 AM

So if someone had a turbo on a 3.2 with a .5 bar spring and the turbo hit full boost at 3,500 RPM what kind of fuel enrichment would you need? A remapped chip? An adjustable fuel pressure regulator? Anything?

ssetek 06-22-2005 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
Wow, vuja de ;)

Old threads never die.
Nuthin to add 'cept my car is still running great, and i bought an intercooler off'n a turbo RX-7, gonna modify it to fit. I did the math, it should be just about right for my application.

Way back in this thread an opinion was offered, basically that bigger is better when it comes to intercoolers. Nope. Not even close.

Air flow, heat of compression, and throttle response dicate the intercooler size.
You could put an intercooler the size of Montana on your car, the only thing you would gain is an incredible amount of turbo lag and terrible throttle response.
It takes time to pressurize an area, the larger the volume the longer it takes to pressurize it, hense the turbo lag thing.
An intercooler should only be as large as is required, no more. If it is bigger than it needs to be it is too big.

I plan to run no more than .65 bar, my turbo should be fairly efficient at that setting after i upgrade my muffler. So..... not that much heat of compression, the area of the intercoooler will be large enough, the inlet and outlets are big enough to flow the air without much restriction at all, and it isn't as big as Montana so throttle response shouldn't be affected enough to notice.
Plus it is designed by Mazda, and we all know those Mazda engineers are smarter than I am ;)


There. That should be enough to draw the theorists out of the woodwork :)


verry true but one thing to remember is the efficency of the intercooler core and shape of the end tanks you can have 2 intercoolers the same size but one if far more effecient so the less effecient one has to be bigger to do the same job


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