Wevo porn

[wevoid]

Hi George,

Constructive criticism is always welcome.

As with other transmission issues - it is hard to diagnose at arms length.

I have driven cars with our shifter, with and without GateShift kit &/or PSJ and found a variety of "click" & "no click" - with no pattern.

The click is a function of the reverse lock-out plunger being deflected a long way as the shift lever cuts the corner from 4th to 5th gear. As the lever clears - the plunger extends - spring propelled to it's limit of travel - resulting in the "click"

I believe it is a combination of the depth setting on the nose of the spring plunger (which is sub-assembled at Windrush) and the fore-aft setting of the lever position.

I think the general tendancy is to have the lever adjusted too far rearwards and this will tend to make the lever catch the reverse lock-out when crossing neutral from 4th to 5th.

The tab -or- button on the side of the shift lever should only depress the reverse lock-out plunger when the lever is pulled to the rear edge of the neutral freeplay. When the lever is at the forward edge of the neutral freeplay (such as when pushing the lever forwards from 4th to 5th gear) the tab -or- button should clear the end of he reverse lock-out plunger.

If the reverse lock-out plunger is set too deep - too close to the centerline, then the possibility of the "click" is also increased.

I found the revers lock-out cam on the O.E. shifter to be quite audible too. That can be quieted some by a dollop of heavy grease on the O.E. unit, but that is not an effective solution for the WEVO unit.

If we do ever change the configuration, news will be widespread. But for now, you might consider some of the notes above for adjustment that could eliminate the noise.

Perhaps we could also do a better job with our instructions.

Regards

Hayden

[jpahemi]

Hayden:
I've got the classic lever and the welded tab covers 1/2 of the face of the lock out button; should the tap (while in neutral) be ahead of the button? I've tried a more forward position, but then it makes reverse engagement more difficult. I've backed out the lock out assembly a tad, but I'm unable to avoid the 4-5 click.
Regards,
J.P.

[911teo]

Originally posted by 911scmedic
Hey Matteo

Who makes that shifter set-up?

Does it work well and what was the cost for comparison?




Thanks!
Doug

Hey Doug

it is made by Hargett Precision

www.hargettprecision.com

If I remember correctly it costs $795. I have never tested it. A friend is looking ino getting one for his race car.

For me it was just not practical.

PS
I installed the Wevo shifter... Have not had a chance to "test" it properly... So will have to come back with any constructive comments and pics.

[Want to be]

He has been making these for a few years. Very postive reviews @ the PCA road america race.

[Zeke]

Originally posted by livi
Hayden and Milt,

Don´t get me wrong here. I don´t have any tech education or experience worth mentioning. I read a lot - not least on this forum - trying to learn. And I will most certainly keep on asking serious questions, that some of you will regard as imbecile - and sometimes they probably are.

No offending comment was intended toward you and I hope you wern't. I'm with those that say there are no stupid questions. I just think the answer was very genteel.

[ted]

Originally posted by jpahemi
[B]I can't imagine sticking this gizmo in my car, it's simply hideous.

[img]

I would not care to delete my parking brake to accommodate that this elevated shifter.
Perhaps this might be a valid design for a 935 with a raised transaxle where the shift rod is required to be placed above the tunnel.

[island911]

Originally posted by GeorgeK
While I do not often agree with Island (I tend to keep my thoughts for myself if they are not positive), . ..

Originally posted by wevoid
Hi George,

Constructive criticism is always welcome.

.. .

OH, I SEE .. . Constructive criticism is okay . . .And, Oblique insults are okay.




now seriously, we have to keep this board both opinionated and entertaining. Else, people will all go over to gruppeB, . . .or where ever the panties are NOT all bunched-up over who can project their lips the farthest up

If you want "All Positive, All the time" read only marketing push content. ---definately do NOT read here about erams and motor-miester.

[Britain Smith]

It is interesting that in the midst of this thread, the crazy above mounting shifter that people have made reference to has appeared on ebay. It is listed at a price above the WEVO product, requires you to loose the basic functionality of the handbrake, remove the rear access panel, and deal with an expose shift rod going down the middle of the cabin. While I believe that it may look good in a race oriented car, I do not believe that it is practical for street use...just my opinion.

In any case, I want to point out the title:

Billet Porsche 930 Shifter -Race Turbo Better Than Wevo

Now, is that really necessary? What data does he have to back that up? Does anyone know anybody actually using this shifter? In my opinion, placing the WEVO name on his listing is free advertising for WEVO, especially since the WEVO is a lower price.

Just my 2 cents,
Britain

[ted]

Originally posted by Britain Smith
In any case, I want to point out the title:

Billet Porsche 930 Shifter -Race Turbo Better Than Wevo

Now, is that really necessary?

Could it just be a shifty (pun intended) seller's method of manipulating the E bay search engine. Misdirecting Wevo search attempts to his own shifter?

[spinner]

The Hargett shifter is similar to the one made by Fabcar except for the price ($795 vs. $1700). I've been waiting for Wevo to come up with something for the G50 for sometime. I like the Hagett/Fabcar concept of placing the knob higher and closer to the shifting hand - major improvement for track use. Since my car is also used on the street, I rather keep the parking brake (the appearance is irrelevent). So, I'd be curious to hear from folks who have actually used them and compare to the stock shifter (i.e. effort, travel, feel etc). Thanks to Wevo for giving us G50 folks an alternative

[ted]

Originally posted by spinner
The Hargett shifter is similar to the one made by Fabcar except for the price ($795 vs. $1700). I'd be curious to hear from folks who have actually used them and compare to the stock shifter (i.e. effort, travel, feel etc). Thanks to Wevo for giving us G50 folks an alternative

I had considered the Fabcar years ago.
The Fabcar (Hargett too?) shifter does not have the second spring that pushes the lever away from the 1/2 neutral slot and keeps it in the 3/4 neutral slot. Similar to the factory shifter with the spring that pushes the lever from the 5/R slot to the 3/4 slot.

The added 1st/2nd spring feature on the Wevo was the main reason I choose to upgrade from the stock shifter.

The Wevo short throw shifter with Wevo's extra long lever on my race/street car places the shift knob at the same level as Fabcar or Hargett.

The Wevo is a bolt in.

These other kits require you to remove the shift rod. The E-brake deleted and the shift coupler inspection panel would be permanently modified or removed for the shift rod to reenter the tunnel. Also it appears some custom hardware would be required to attach their custom shifter tower to the tunnel. Perhaps some consideration to seat width may be a necessary with Hargett's larger/wider shifter tower.

[wevoid]

Originally posted by jpahemi
Hayden:
I've got the classic lever and the welded tab covers 1/2 of the face of the lock out button; should the tap (while in neutral) be ahead of the button? I've tried a more forward position, but then it makes reverse engagement more difficult. I've backed out the lock out assembly a tad, but I'm unable to avoid the 4-5 click.
Regards,
J.P.

JP,

Neutral position for the lever is really a range of travel, rather than an exact position fore and aft. This is true of all 915 shift mechanisms - regardless of source.

This is a function of the internal design of the transmission, plus any accumulated axial play from the other parts in the shift linkage.

When the lever is at the rearmost limit of the neutral travel, it should overlap the reverse lock-out button. A 1/3 of the diameter of the small tip is sufficient.

When the lever is at the forwards limit of the neutral travel it will clear the button by some margin.

When the lever position is correctly set you will only access reverse by moving the lever laterally at the rearmost limit of the neutral travel. If you were to move the lever laterally at the forwards limit of neutral, the tab on the shift lever will pass ahead of the reverse lock-out plunger and you will be blocked from access to reverse gear.

There will always be some tendency for the tab to swipe the end of the button when going from 4th to 5th, but unless the reverse lock-out plunger is deeply depressed in that process, then there will not be a significant noise.

I offer this explanation to anyone who asks about the noise.

Regards

Hayden

[Dthurman]

Originally posted by john_cramer
Optimist: "The glass is half full."

Pessimist: "The glass is half empty.

Engineer: "The glass is twice as big and heavy as it needs to be."

Half is a specific mathmatical point, making no indication of direction(filling or emptying). Half is simply half

[Want to be]

Farmers product above bolts right in. No mods except mounting holes.
This unit will fit between factory seats and you will be able to keep your heater controls. The E brake on this unit will still work, but could have an extension for easier use.

Again its not a pretty as the other units, but it works without a lot of mods and rework.

It has been tested at Road America and other PCA events, everybody who tested it on there car purchased the product.

Race car driver who have missed gears might be interested in such a product as this.

cheers, jpc

[briankeithsmith]

Hey Gang:

I wanted to hop in here. I just read this thread, and as someone who has a Hargett 930 shifter, I feel that I have some valid commentary to provide. Obviously I don't have a WEVO (I've sat in cars that have had them and tried them out at a standstill but haven't driven with one), so can't comment there regarding its performance, but since everyone here seems to be questioning the functionality of Mark's shifter, here is my analysis.

Here are pics of the unit in my car:





The shifter is excellent. The gates are tight for the 930 tranny version, not sure about the 915 version, but it isn't as intrusive as some of you seem to believe it is.

1. The handbrake is still functional - you just need to tighten up the handbrake a little so you don't have to pull it up as far. Since my car is a race car, I ended up removing my handbrake, but not because of the shifter.

2. I don't have heater controls but I think that they can actually remain in place, you'd need to inquire with Mark about the specifics of that

What do I like about it:
1. Well, I use the shifter hard in my car, and in my first session on the track with it I beat my previous best lap time at the track by .3 seconds. That's a 1/3 of a second. I installed the shifter during the event, so the conditions, temp, wind, etc were pretty much the same. So that 1/3 of a second I have to attribute to the ease of shifting provided by the new shifter.

2. Shifting is smooth, yet you can feel when it engages the gear you are selecting.

3. Gates are tight- meaning that the space between the 1st/2nd gate, and the 3rd/4th gate is close. This could be intimidating to some, but after about 30 minutes of using it, you learn to love it.

4. Its not spring loaded - some people like the feel of the Wevo, or Robotek, or Seine systems that have the loaded spring in them. Personally, I don't. This thing is pretty effortless when you go to shift.

5. Location - if you are tall, or even in my case (5' 8") you'll like the fact that the shifter is pretty much right beside of you.

6. Looks - some people commented that it looks "hideous". Everybody has their own opinion of what looks good and what doesn't (that's why all the females don't look the same). But I think it looks pretty trick - but more importantly to me is the way it functions.

And as a last note, this past weekend I loaned it to a friend of mine who was going to the track with his 930. His reponse to the shifter is basically identical to mine. When I called him on Sunday night to find out when he was going to return it to me, he told me that "someone had stolen it" - basically saying that he didn't want to give it back!

Look for him to post his impressions of it here later because I'm gonna send him a link to this thread and get him to post his impressions.

Anyway, those are the impressions of an actual user. Obviously a shifter purchase is expensive - so choose wisely! But I really don't think you'd go wrong with this one.

And if you have a track car - you'll really love it!


Oh yeah- the reason I bought the shifter in the first place was because I had missed a shift at the track, primarily because I was extending my arm when trying to shift from 3rd to 4th with the stock shifter. So that is why I wanted a shifter that was closer, and why I wanted a shifter that provided a more "precise" feel.
I have no affiliation with Mark really, just a happy client of his.

(I also have his pedals, which are really nice!)

Brian

[A930Rocket]

I haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to comment on the Hargett shifter.

I used Brians shifter from Hargett in my 930 this past weekend at VIR. All I can say is, WOW, what a difference!

I had never used it or any other shifter until I got on the track and it was seemless to start using from my old short shifter.

It was so much easier to shift in every gear, as the range of motion was short and very precise. Making a third gear shift at speed will prevent a mis-shift I think. A problem I've had since it was a stretch for me when all belted in.

It was easy to install and I'm using a Butler Built seat that was custom made (wider than a stock seat) and mounted much further back than normal.

Now that I've tried it, I'm going to order one.

Jim

[911teo]

I am glad Jim and Brian stepped in with some more info about the Hargett shifter.

I had mentioned it as the only (i didn't know abt Fabcar) alternative to the Wevo for a SS kit for the G50 transmission.

For my daily driver the Wevo offered a better solution. It looks like the Hargett could be the ticket for a dedicated track car.

[spinner]

Matteo

Looking forward to your comments on the Wevo...
I can live with the Hargett but the Wevo is a more elegant solution for the G50 (especially for a street/track car) as long as the reach and travel is comparable.

Paul

[911teo]

First impressions....

First of all the installation is really easy... it took me 45mins including taking the central console off....
I must say that the fit in the stock boot is quite tight... I am thinking of getting rid of the boot altogether, but will need a solution to prevent dirt and dust to get into the shifter.

The reach in every gear is perfect. I am tall (6'2") but I also have monkey arms. But it feels to me as if the Wevo and the stock have the same position relative to the driver. The fact that the throw is reduced improves things as you do not have to move the shifter lever as much to get into the chosen gear.

Wevo claims that the throw is 30% shorter... I can't argue with that. I think the 2-3-4 shifts are the most affected (maybe I am stating the obvious, I am just reporting what it feels like).

As someone previously said it takes more effort to select any gear than with the stock shifter... Again no surprise here as the 30% shorter throw has to come from somewhere (i.e. shorter lever = more force to be applied)

I have not been able to take the car for some spirited driving so my impressions are limited to city driving only...

I guess (and I hope) the shifter will shine on the track, where precision and speed are the 2 most important factors. I have a DE scheduled for 11/11....

To be honest if I did not take the car to the track I am not sure I would find it worth it. It's beautifully made and obviously very well put together. It fits in any stock cockpit and it takes nothing to go back to OEM. But the I think the stock solution sets very good standards to which is much more difficult to improve upon (as opposed to the 915 maybe). Again I am looking forward to my track day... to see if the Wevo improves a coulpe of "issues" I had.

Put it this way... if you must have a SS kit and money is not tight I'd go for this in an instant... I did and would do it again.

If you are happy with your stock shifter and don't really need a SS then it's a lot of money for a little bling.

[Craig 930 RS]

What issues DID you have prior to the WEVO install?