Thoughts on this '72 911S @ $80K

[kstar]

See: http://www.symbolicmotors.com/car-680/1972-porsche-911-s.html



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This 1972 Porsche 911 S benefits from several tasteful modifications that include a Momo Prototipo steering wheel, a battery cut-off switch in the interior, wider Fuchs wheels that wear 195/60 Bridgestones in the front and 205/55 in the rear.
When the engine was rebuilt just a few years ago, the displacement was increased from 2.4L to 2.7 making this S nearly as fast as the venerable RS model.
In early 2008, a completely new interior including door panels, door pockets and carpets were installed. In addition, a set of correct original Recaro sports seats was sourced from the secondary market at a great expense.
Once restored, the seats were covered in new leather with the correct type perforations. The body is very straight with excellent white paint and uniform panel gaps.

I haven't been on this board in a while, so apologies in advance if this car has been discussed.

[yelcab1]

What does that have over a 2009 997 Carrera S, for the same $90K?

[kstar]

If you have to ask . . .

[Macroni]

very nice car.......

It would cost as much to restore a 72 to that level of finish...

[jh225]

No mention of mileage which generally means a ton.

Hood does not fit properly at windshield, fender and door color do not match. Could be the angle, but would have to view in person.

For $80K, I personally am looking at other vehicles.

Edit to add: Now that I looked at the link with more photos, there is very obviously something up with the paint on both sides of the car. Look closely, it looks like the front end and rear quarters were resprayed at different times than the doors or the doors also may have been sprayed off the car and not given the same amount of paint depth. Something just doesn't look right.

[86 911 Targa]

Kurt,

Recently, a mint condition '98 993 (8K miles), which is becoming a classic (last oil/air cooled) model,
sold for 55K on eBay.

That car's performance far exceeds the '72 you are considering, and unless you are a collector,
you may want to look at other options.

And there are many.

My pick would be the 993.

But, it is your checkbook, go with your best choice.

Good luck,

Gerry

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by yelcab1

What does that have over a 2009 997 Carrera S, for the same $90K?

The '72 has fully depreciated, and is going back up in value. Maybe not to 80K yet, but the 997 will just begin it's depreciation curve today.

It has a long way down, and many years before it will be worth 90,000 again.

[cfc]

The aluminum Vin Plate has been re done.The info has been stamped from the outside if the plate. on a real plate from a 1972 the vin number is stamped from the face of the plate all other numbers are stamped from the backside. Also the backside stamping is done when the whole plate is produced, not with individual number stamps. Only the Vin number is done with individual stamps. Whee is the frot o the air cleane, why on't the door pockets it, why is he intake on th MFI pump pluged, et, etc.

[kstar]

Thanks for your comments, guys.

Gerry - I am not actively shopping now, but the time is coming.

I'm just an early 911 guy, FWIW. My probable route is the narrow body/big motor route and probably best to start with a solid '72 T. Having done that once before, I am also seriously considering just buying a finished early car.

I know that early S car prices were getting up there and thought maybe the recent economic climate had brought them down a bit - I've been out of the Porsche loop for a while.

Thanks again and take care,

[RSTarga]

worth a closer look. GP white wasn't a stock colour in 72 so it's been resprayed. Injection pump is missing warmup hose and instead has manual enrichment, a pain in the b... I'd have it completely inspected and ask for service records. for that money car should be concours perfect.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

The '72 has fully depreciated, and is going back up in value. Maybe not to 80K yet, but the 997 will just begin it's depreciation curve today.

It has a long way down, and many years before it will be worth 90,000 again.

That's true, of course, but for me the value of an early 911 over a modern 911 is all of the stuff that doesn't show up on spec sheets and performance charts.

You know what I mean.

Best,

[kstar]

Originally Posted by RSTarga

worth a closer look. GP white wasn't a stock colour in 72 so it's been resprayed. Injection pump is missing warmup hose and instead has manual enrichment, a pain in the b... I'd have it completely inspected and ask for service records. for that money car should be concours perfect.

Agree. Symbolic in La Jolla, CA has had this car for sale for well over a year at least, FWIW.

[EarlySport]

Originally Posted by 86 911 Targa

Kurt,

Recently, a mint condition '98 993 (8K miles), which is becoming a classic (last oil/air cooled) model,
sold for 55K on eBay.

That car's performance far exceeds the '72 you are considering, and unless you are a collector,
you may want to look at other options.

And there are many.

My pick would be the 993.

But, it is your checkbook, go with your best choice.

Good luck,
Gerry

I find it odd that people are comparing new models to a 72. If that's the case, why would anyone pay $300K for a 73 RS ? I mean you could buy a couple of current GT2's right?

I also think the 993 is far from their values bottoming out. These cars will soon become old enough that maintentance and general comfort makes using them as daily drivers impractical for most people. I think they'll fall quite a bit before they truly become collectable as the last air cooled 911. Just my opinion of course.

I find early 911's offer resonable investment value (if purchased correctly), and a unique and fun driving experience. It's certainly not about them being fast, because standard (compared to modern cars) they're not. But they have an indefinable ability to put a big smile on the drivers face :-)

For what it's worth, if I was buying an early car at present I'd buy a stock standard S, or a lower cost hot rodded T.

Cheers,

[pwd72s]

$80K suggests that P.T. Barnum was right...
(edit) Shouldn't this thread be moved to the car discussion forum?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Disappointing, especially at $80K

wrong Fuchs
motor questionable
2 mirrors
H4s
interior door handles sun-bleached
later red hood badge
XM radio receiver

among other points noted.

[kstar]

Paul - I would not pay asking price if I was going to try to buy that car. And this thread probably does belong in the car discussion forum. It would be nice if someone sold me one at a huge discount because they thought I was the right buyer.

Thanks, Shaun. I was counting on guys like you and the others to spot the things that my eyes miss.

[pwd72s]

Kurt, keep looking...and if you've really not been following the market? The music has stopped and a lot of flippers are finding themselves being carried out feet first.

And yeah, I gave Evren a half price sale...damned proud I did, and that I could afford to.

(edit) Okay..I'm calming down a bit now. Guys, don't even think of buying this car...I could go on forever on what's not "proper" on it...even the tool kit is a joke. To see it on the market and to be asking $80K?
Sheesh!

[Flat6pac]

Well, its hard to negociate the price up.
But the 996/997 are more in line with the Nissan 370Z from the touch of plastic throughout. Most of $100G and its hard to find the leather but the Z is plastic throughout and is what you expect for $30K
Bruce

[mpetry]

Have a look at Sloancars.com, there are several nice ones listed and they do not have the obvious "dings" that this white car has.

No question that a classic period 70-73 S will bring 90k. That does not mean that EVERY car in that period is worth that much. At 90k I'd want complete pics of the underside, info on the motor, and 100% "no stories no excuses".

Look around, they are out there, this white one may not be the one however.

Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA

[Zeke]

I can't get their website to load all the pics. POS website, IMO.

But, the fit and finish looks good to me. Saying the hood doesn't fit at the cowel is to not understand how photography works. It looks fine to me.