What is Your Holy Grail for Components on a 911?

[RWebb]

the companion thread made me think about this

rather than a particular car, what would you want on a 911?

to provide an example, I'll go first

1. very low wt.
2. less wt. on the rear end - i.e. closer to a 50/50 than a 40/60 wt. distribution
3. more power
4. stiffer chassis
5. PCCB brakes
6. narrow, classic, fender profile

yes, some are more in the way of design specifications (top) than particular components (bottom) used to achieve the goals, but, since it's the internet, I thought I'd keep it loose

[Noah930]

I don't know if I can narrow it down to just one Holy Grail factor on a 911. There's nothing particularly spectacular about any single part of a 911. Rather, it's the way all the parts come together for a unique driving experience that makes a 911 special, IMO.

[kidrock]

a Chevy motor. (Just kidding.)

[bavaria911]

[regency]

my set of Weidman deep 6's, 15x6's on the front and 15x7's on the back, should be done soon.

Steve

73 T Coupe, MFI, Aubergine, built back to E spec

[RWebb]

cool - diesel tractor pump - great idea for a sports car!

[356RS]

I would say: Short Stroke high compression with MFI and a set of short gears to boot.

[dtw]

Originally Posted by RWebb

cool - diesel tractor pump - great idea for a sports car!

Yes, it was, as it turns out.

[naparsei]

Originally Posted by RWebb

the companion thread made me think about this

rather than a particular car, what would you want on a 911?


5. PCCB brakes

Randy,
Just curious, but why? I know they work great, but the initial bite is a little off putting, and in some ways sub-optimal for street use. I have 2 cars with ceramic brakes and they brake like God reached down a grabbed the rear bumper, but even broken in, they aren't very progressive. Great for the track, tougher for the street, imo.

[silverc4s]

1. Under 2000 lbs, wet w/o driver
2. Over 250 whp, employing MFI
3. No frills, but licensed for the public roads
4. Momo Prototipo wheel, Rennshift shifter
5. 17" Fuchs
6. Modern brakes
7. All of the Elephant &/or WEVO gear I could afford
8. RS level interior trim

[kenikh]

'78 turbo brakes
7R wheels
Big bore ITBs
Cross-drilled 66mm crank ground for GT3 rod bearings
GT3 spec moly or Ti rods
High quality equal length header
Nickie cylinders
Race prepped 73.5 7R case
Supertec head studs
CNC ported heads from a top shop
Custom Dougherty Racing cams
Every engine coating known to man
Knock controlled ignition
Twin plug dizzy
Engine Management
Coil on plug spark
Full Elephant Racing suspension
Wevo 915 short geared tranny w/ LSD, gateshift and spray bar cooler
Fabcar modded oil tank
993 oil cooling system

And the impossible to find: modern 15" performance street tires

Good thing I have almost all of these now... Maybe I can start building my motor.

[scarceller]

HP to Weight ratio.

As much HP with as little Weight as possible.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by naparsei

Randy,
Just curious, but why? I know they work great, but the initial bite is a little off putting, and in some ways sub-optimal for street use. I have 2 cars with ceramic brakes and they brake like God reached down a grabbed the rear bumper, but even broken in, they aren't very progressive. Great for the track, tougher for the street, imo.

- they are much much lighter (think I listed that as goal #1)

IIRC, they are now coming out on some MB models, so I expect the grabbiness (initial bite) is not inherent in the technology.

[RWebb]

OK - I'll add: a lighter motor! (maybe the Chevy joke is not so funny...)

The problem is how to do that - one bet would be to dump the cam chains & heavy tensioners in favor of the original idea - belt drive. Unfortunately, we'd lose some of that interesting mechanical sound...

[petevb]

Originally Posted by naparsei

Randy,
Just curious, but why? I know they work great, but the initial bite is a little off putting, and in some ways sub-optimal for street use. I have 2 cars with ceramic brakes and they brake like God reached down a grabbed the rear bumper, but even broken in, they aren't very progressive. Great for the track, tougher for the street, imo.

What generation pads/ brakes are you on? The pads in particular have gone through a number of iterations to improve cold bite- if you're not on newer pads you might try them to see if they help your issues?

[kidrock]

Originally Posted by RWebb

OK - I'll add: a lighter motor! (maybe the Chevy joke is not so funny...)

The problem is how to do that - one bet would be to dump the cam chains & heavy tensioners in favor of the original idea - belt drive. Unfortunately, we'd lose some of that interesting mechanical sound...

good point. I've been wondering to myself lately what these motors would be like with gear-driven cams, as opposed to the chains & tensioners.

[naparsei]

Originally Posted by petevb

What generation pads/ brakes are you on? The pads in particular have gone through a number of iterations to improve cold bite- if you're not on newer pads you might try them to see if they help your issues?

Pete,
I have the original pads on an '08 GT3. It's not undriveable or anything (to the contrary!) but the initial application is tricky when you aren't thinking about it. I don't mean to overstate the case. Is there a newer iteration of pads that help? It's a little abrupt, but not as bad as F430 with composite ceramic brakes.

[jluetjen]

One of these to put the engine and tranaxle into...

[berettafan]

1950lbs

260 +/-hp

69-73 chassis, std flares (no RS)

no sunroof

GT3rs seats OR an aluminum kirkey like seat w/ removable wings and period leather basketweave upholstery.

roll bar/harness bar

hoosier a6's on 15x7's

sitting at the starting line of a 2 minute hillclimb

[boba]

Lightweight reinforced Tub



Coil over suspension



Centerlock hubs


Modern brakes



Duel master cylinder w/balance adj.