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Jameel 11-26-2016 07:10 AM

Backdated Heat Tech Article
 
I've waded through dozens of backdated heat threads, but still haven't found one that explains it all for an 83SC. Lots of great info, no doubt, but I'll be using this thread to sort out my own backdate and hopefully it can evolve into something useful like the other threads. I'll be using pics from my own car, and a few from other threads (thanks Pelicans!) :)

So as I understand it, backdating the heat in an 83SC involves removing the blower motor and ducting. These parts:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480170615.jpg

I won't go into specific of removal unless there is something unique. Loosening hose clamps and nuts are self-explanatory.

Here's how the left side looks after removing the large ribbed duct between the blower and left heat duct:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480172485.jpg

Next up I removed the short hose from the metal Y of the blower, then removed it where it attaches to the rear engine tin, here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480172588.jpg

Then I removed the longer hose from the right side of the blower's Y. This hose is one long piece that goes from the blower Y all the way to the heat exhanger below the engine. To remove the other end of the hose from the heat exchanger I first had to remove my A/C compressor and the bracket that mounts it to the engine. You can see the hose here, how it routes under the bracket and down through the engine tin (hidden by the engine mount chassis attachment in this pic):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480172924.jpg


Below is my engine with the following items removed:
-blower motor (metal "Y" duct came off as part of the blower)
-the large, ribbed plastic duct that goes between the metal Y of the blower and the left heat duct (the part that attaches to the fiberglass fan shroud to the left of the fan)
- the left flex hose coming off the left metal Y
- the longer, right flex hose coming of the right Y and routing directly through the right tin to the heat exchanger underneath the car.

The two highlighted parts are:
-the left heat duct (smaller part)
-the rear engine tin (the larger part)

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:15 AM

continued from previous post...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480173132.jpg

Here's what the right side of my engine looks like after removing the long hose. The highlighted part is the block off plate that will later be replaced by an earlier part that allows a hose to be routed back under the A/C bracket, through the engine tin and down to the heat exchanger.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480173176.jpg

And here's a closeup shot of the tin piece on the right side of the engine (this is usually hidden under by the A/C bracket.)

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:16 AM

continued...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480173370.jpg

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:41 AM

So here's my first question.

Left side of the engine. I've seen a few different ways of routing the left heat duct from the shroud to the heat exchanger. First option: keep my SC tin with the metal tube and use two pieces of hose to route to the heat exchanger. Will this routing work with SSI's?

I think that's what's going on here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480174614.jpg

Other option is to source rear tin, and the two left pieces for a one-piece, and perhaps tidier routing of the left hose.

Here's my tin. Looks like I could cut a hole in the small piece B and keep the long piece C. Is this possible? I would still need to source an early rear tin to get rid of the metal tube, A, in mine.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480174792.jpg

Here's an example of that setup:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480174822.jpg

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:46 AM

I meant to add this pic. The tins I would need to do the more "proper" routing are lettered E F and G. Looks like F is the way to go, rather than cutting a hole in my B tin. Question is, will my C work with an F?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480175173.jpg

TRE Cup 11-26-2016 07:53 AM

Yes, your C trim will work with F

Jameel 11-26-2016 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRE Cup (Post 9372833)
Yes, your C trim will work with F

Thank you Sir!

JJ 911SC 11-26-2016 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameel (Post 9372810)
... Will this routing work with SSI's?


Yes it will, here is a picture of mine... ;)


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480174822.jpg

Jameel 11-26-2016 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 9373354)
Yes it will, here is a picture of mine... ;)


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480174822.jpg

Great. But will SSI's work with my SC tin? The one where the metal tube is at the corner?

JJ 911SC 11-26-2016 04:46 PM

In post #3?

jgerock 11-26-2016 05:02 PM

I just installed SSI heat exchangers on my 82 engine. I'm keeping the heater blower so I used a flexible hose from the bottom rear tin tube to the left SSI heater tube inlet. It's a tight fit.

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC (Post 9373397)
In post #3?

No, part A on my tin. Just wondering if that corner metal tube is too far back to mate up with SSIs.

Jameel 11-26-2016 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgerock (Post 9373405)
I just installed SSI heat exchangers on my 82 engine. I'm keeping the heater blower so I used a flexible hose from the bottom rear tin tube to the left SSI heater tube inlet. It's a tight fit.

Aha, that's helpful. Got a pic by chance?

jgerock 11-27-2016 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameel (Post 9373522)
Aha, that's helpful. Got a pic by chance?

For some strange reason, lately I haven't been able to upload pics to Photobucket from my Android so I cannot share a few from yesterday.
Here is what I started with.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...psyl2fq4pt.jpg

RSBob 11-27-2016 09:25 AM

Don't know if there is much of a difference between an 83 and 82 tin, but here is the routing of my backdate on my 82 using the existing tin.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480267444.jpg

SoCal911SC 11-27-2016 11:27 AM

Here's my set-up. Used the existing port on the left side with a reducer, and JB Welded an elbow on the right side.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480274770.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480274786.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480274797.jpg

CBRacerX 11-27-2016 11:46 AM

Yes SSI will work with the stock SC tin on both ends. I used flexible orange high heat tubing on the underside. You can just see a little bit of it peeking out. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480275971.jpg

CBRacerX 11-27-2016 11:47 AM

And the righthttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480276056.jpg

Jameel 11-29-2016 05:48 AM

I can see it Chris. Nice pics and thanks for adding.

Jameel 11-29-2016 06:01 AM

So I found another picture that shows clearly how the left hose routes through SC tin (the metal tube at the back left corner) down to SSI's.

It's also pretty clear that the short piece of tin with the hole (tin F) would allow a straighter path from the left duct.



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1480428034.jpg


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