Smoke in the front and other different questions

Manute · 11-19-2003, 02:36 PM

Hi you all!

I have a few questions,i expect you can help me.
First of all...is there any way to recharge the lifters of the rear hatch?I opened yesterday and it fell at my head!

Another thing...i have noticed i have smoke in the front after starting the car from cold...After about 5 minutes,it start expelling white smoke from the bottom...about another 5 minutes more it stops.It only does it when engine is cold,from one day to another...It smeells like oil,so i assume it´s a drop from a leak,that fall at the exhaust. I asked in the dealer and they say there´s no problem,but i don´t like a car that seems burning when i start it.It´s not spectacular,but annoying. Do you know where should be the source?

And the last thing,off topic...anyone has or know how to make animated 944 gifs? I want 944 and porsche gifs to my cellular phone.

Thanks one more time!

FLA944 · 11-19-2003, 02:44 PM

No, the pneumatic struts are not rechargeable.

White smoke when cold is symptom of worn valve seals. I am assuming you also have exhaust leaks as well. Oil dripping onto the exhaust will not emit smoke unless it is covered. Check the seal around the oil cooler and wettness at the exhaust manifold.

Rick

Dark Skies · 11-19-2003, 02:44 PM

Nope - buy new ones.

Not sure about the smoking - never experienced it myself.

Ulead gif animator is quite a good prog. Search around the net and you'll find a demo I'm sure. Gif movie gear is another good one. Free trial at:

http://www.gamani.com/

Manute · 11-19-2003, 03:39 PM

>White smoke when cold is symptom of worn valve seals. I am assuming you also have exhaust leaks as well. Oil dripping onto the exhaust will not emit smoke unless it is covered. Check the seal around the oil cooler and wettness at the exhaust manifold.>

May be,but if it is worn valve seals....why smoke is coming from the very bottom of the engine?Don´t have a n elevator,but need to see it...really intriguing me.

>Ulead gif animator is quite a good prog. Search around the net and you'll find a demo I'm sure. Gif movie gear is another good one. Free trial at:

http://www.gamani.com/ [/B][/QUOTE] <

Thank you! Seems good,i´ll try it!

ae1969 · 11-19-2003, 10:45 PM

More than likely your camshaft housing is leaking at the gasket..... The oil drips down directly on your exhaust headers......

Manute · 11-19-2003, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ae1969
More than likely your camshaft housing is leaking at the gasket..... The oil drips down directly on your exhaust headers......

I bet it´s this the most possible thing. So i´m thinking in two test thaat maybe clarify it...

First of all,i can put a bit of oil in an exhaust pipe, and then start the engine...when it gets warmer,smoke should be more or less at the same time and intensity than the main smoke.

And second,when smoke starts to appear,i shut down the engine...so if it is because of burning oil due to that leak,i suppose it´ll keep smoking for a seconds.If it was exhaust leaks,for example,it will stop suddenly.

Do you think that´s logical?

And...what gasket are you meaning exactly?I´m not sure what are you meaning due to translation...what is exactly the housing?

924Sman · 11-20-2003, 03:51 AM

PS hose leak. Is the tank oily?....When the hose goes it will leak on to the exhaust manifold. Sman

97XRAY · 97XRAY's Garage

I vote for the camtower gasket - little drips onto the manifold make for smoke - but it isn't really "White" as much as dirty dirty dirty white (aka black).

Manute · 11-20-2003, 06:30 AM

Thanks! Need to check it later...

Smoke is darker white,may be is not dirty dirty dirty

As i said,i´ll put oil in the exhaust and see if it´s the same smoke type.

ae1969 · 11-20-2003, 09:40 AM

Manute clean the area with brake cleaner while the car is cold......

Start it up and watch for leaks.....

Manute · 11-20-2003, 03:19 PM

I´ll try that Alex

I tried my test...i put a drop of oil or two with the dipstick(it´s incredible how they spread only a pair of drops),in the exhaust...at about 10-20 seconds after start the engine,became expelling the same smoke...So it´s clear it´s due to an oil leak.
It keeped smoking for about 5 minutes,the stop the engine and smoke a bit,then finished.Then restarted,but no visible smoke at all,only smell of oil.

It´s difficult for me to check that leaks without an elevator,but i´ll make a way.Thanks!

ae1969 · 11-20-2003, 03:21 PM

Maybe you should try pouring gasoline on it and see if that makes it go away.

97XRAY · 97XRAY's Garage

Actually, your test is useful... if it's the same smoke exactly, and you DO smell oil but don't SEE it after a the first ten minutes, I'm willing to bet its the cam tower seal. Little bits of oil could leak out and until the oil and exhaust manifold are at similar temps there will be smoke. This will get worse and worse until you fix it... which is easier on the S than the NA (maybe the only thing?) because in order to remove the cam shaft housing you must remove the cam gear - which means messing with the timing belt.
GOOD TIMES!
I hated this job more than life itself - but I made it through my learning curve just fine and it's been solid ever since.

To confirm this is a leak area, clean the side of the cam tower above the exhaust manifold (when cool), then watch as the car is idling - or have someone up the oil pressure a bit (transient revs) with you standing there watching. You should be able to locate the oil leak to the front or back of the camshaft cover gasket (usually the back - but mine was the front) after a few minutes of inspection.
No lift required.

ae1969 · 11-20-2003, 04:41 PM

Yup X-ray I agree with you..... slowly been guiding Manute there.

The gasket just breaks down over time but at least its cheap. Also, those bolts are at such a low torque is that they can loosen over time if not torqued properly. I have found the one closest to the cam gear is always a little loose since its normally hard to get in there with a torque wrench with the power steering reservoir in the way.

Manute · 11-21-2003, 12:45 AM

Yes i think the same...The only thing is that the real smoke appears after a pair of minutes,and the test one only a seconds,because it´s closer to the cylinders.So that means the drops fall way far to the bottom till they encounter the exhaust.But i also think cam tower gasket is the most likely.
Btw,i checked it slightly (don´t had much time) and everything looked good.However,i saw a little drop can spread and smoke a lot,so maybe is a very little and slow leak.May be the best way is seeing the origin of smoke,and then follow it upwards to the leak.

Jake,not sure to understood (due to translation,of course,not my intelligence

)...you mean in my car is easier to change the gasket?What do you mean with S?Mine´s a turbo...And...what the hell,i don´t know what N/A means! I never knew it! I always tried to realize myself...

It means not turbo,north american,pre 85 1/2??
If I have to remove the timing gear and touch timing stuff,i better put silicone men! i´ve recently done my belt,don´t wanna mess it up!
If i´m to remove nothing about timing,i´ll change the gasket.

I´ll look better for the leak as you said with my father and a lamp.

Damnit,you can´t really get bored with this cars!
Next expensive or difficult repair and sure i´d try pouring gasoline Alex! A gallon and a match!

Not really,love it so much...but always with some trouble...Hey it´s like a wife!!

97XRAY · 97XRAY's Garage

OKay:
NA = normally aspirated

Unfortunately, getting to the gasket on an 86 turbo will require the cam gear removal (I'm ~80% sure of that - not having that car in front of me, can't remember 100%).
So, yeah, you'll have to mess with the belt.
Sorry.
The leak from that gasket isn't a "squirter"; it's always slow - so you're results are in line with our opinion... it's likely the camshaft cover gasket.

Dark Skies · 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FR Wilk
Exactly like a wife. It will leave you pennyless and homless sitting in a chair with a gun in you lap. Too poor to afford the bullets.

Sounds like a story behind that embittered comment.

From the long list of previous owners my car is more like the town strumpet

Manute · 11-21-2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 97XRAY
OKay:
NA = normally aspirated

Unfortunately, getting to the gasket on an 86 turbo will require the cam gear removal (I'm ~80% sure of that - not having that car in front of me, can't remember 100%).
So, yeah, you'll have to mess with the belt.
Sorry.
The leak from that gasket isn't a "squirter"; it's always slow - so you're results are in line with our opinion... it's likely the camshaft cover gasket.

Oh my god,not more complications...You are not sure,but if there is a chance that could be tricky,risky,and expensive,for sure it´s my case!
Btw,i´m changing my oil when i finish the can,i´ll put a more dense one with a product to cover cracks,hope this helps.If not...wellcome silicone!

Yes Darky...something happens with Willy...C´mon,here are your friends,tell to us!

Mine´s not a wife but a strumpet too,i can count at least five PO´s,and i have a 10 year period i know nothing about the car....
And you?How many PO´s?

Oh,one last thing...how much costs the pneumatic struts?

97XRAY · 97XRAY's Garage

I have a lot of fun reading your posts, Manute.
Keep them coming!

Dark Skies · 11-21-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manute
[Mine´s not a wife but a strumpet too,i can count at least five PO´s,and i have a 10 year period i know nothing about the car....
And you?How many PO´s?

Oh,one last thing...how much costs the pneumatic struts? [/B]

I have eight previous owners listed.

Struts (pattern) on the front are about £10
Struts (pattern) on the rear are £26

Not sure what that translates to in that Toytown Euro stuff you're using over there. It's almost Christmas so a really big bag of chocolate money would probably do it.