Post pics of 944s with V8s (american or not)

[lart951]

Originally posted by RobotMachines
Payback biach.

Payback to whom? Are you mad at community or at a few people? Actually don't answer that because I don't want to get into a conversation. Just want you to let you know that many people you are insulting haven't even posted (and if have, never have said anything bad), and are doing fine talented conversion work... building machines with their hands that I'd love to sit in, turn the key, and take for a ride. Anyway, this is off topic and I’m done. [/B][/QUOTE]

For as long as Doug has the forum named after me, I will continue to do what I do.

Cya

[Moneyguy1]

I have seen (and built) hybrids of all kinds over the years...Olds V8 in a 1932 Chevy 3 window coupe (yeah..with hydraulic brakes as part of the build)..V8 conversion in a Corvair coupe (mid engine..engine winds up in the back seat compartment, Camaro discs in the front). I helped put together an Opel GT that wound up with a 289 in it. These kinds of cars are NOT built with economics in mind. They start as a dream and grow from there. They are a series of technical and engineering problems, demanding a bit of ingenuity to solve. Some are dead ends and never completed. Those that are finished demand to be appreciated for the energy and resources that went into them. The difference between the average individual doing such a project and the factory building "one-off" dream cars is...what? Simply put, the factory has a lot more in the form of resources to put into such a project. The average individual has to work with what's out there unless he or she has access to a number of specialized tools that most of us do not have.

So the "purists" that say the Porsche should have always been rear engined and air cooled, look at the 944, 924, 928, 914 and some of the newer water cooled units as heresey. Small minded, narrow in concept, unwilling to accept anything different unless it fits their preconceived notions.

Three cheers to the innovators. Kudos to those who succeed and even to those who fail. At least they tried. And, if it were not for the factory experiments Porsche would not even exist in any form and if there were not attempts to improve the breed, Porsche would still be a swing axle 4 cylinder car.

As a final observation...after owing "mavericks" for twenty years, I have concluded the rarest of cars is an unmolested Porsche. So much for the purists.

[lart951]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
I have seen (and built) hybrids of all kinds over the years...Olds V8 in a 1932 Chevy 3 window coupe (yeah..with hydraulic brakes as part of the build)..V8 conversion in a Corvair coupe (mid engine..engine winds up in the back seat compartment, Camaro discs in the front). I helped put together an Opel GT that wound up with a 289 in it. These kinds of cars are NOT built with economics in mind. They start as a dream and grow from there. They are a series of technical and engineering problems, demanding a bit of ingenuity to solve. Some are dead ends and never completed. Those that are finished demand to be appreciated for the energy and resources that went into them. The difference between the average individual doing such a project and the factory building "one-off" dream cars is...what? Simply put, the factory has a lot more in the form of resources to put into such a project. The average individual has to work with what's out there unless he or she has access to a number of specialized tools that most of us do not have.

So the "purists" that say the Porsche should have always been rear engined and air cooled, look at the 944, 924, 928, 914 and some of the newer water cooled units as heresey. Small minded, narrow in concept, unwilling to accept anything different unless it fits their preconceived notions.

Three cheers to the innovators. Kudos to those who succeed and even to those who fail. At least they tried. And, if it were not for the factory experiments Porsche would not even exist in any form and if there were not attempts to improve the breed, Porsche would still be a swing axle 4 cylinder car.

As a final observation...after owing "mavericks" for twenty years, I have concluded the rarest of cars is an unmolested Porsche. So much for the purists.

Read the entire post before posting. 1st. I am not a purist 2nd. I know that it takes lots of $$$$ to do a good conversion.

[tifosiman]

[tifosiman]

[Tapage]

Originally posted by RobotMachines
I agree Predator, keeping it stock and stealthy is fun... but it's also fun to add a little something for those that look close enough ...



ALso, 944LT1 wanted to have his stuff posted. Here it is...

I'm gonna do that with my lights .. !

[Sabyre]

Originally posted by 944Cowboy


Oh REALLY?

Whats wrong with it aside from the K&N?

[lart951]

Originally posted by Sabyre
Whats wrong with it aside from the K&N?

cowboy944 doesn't know what that is, he thinks is like a civic cold air intake. LOL.
It's a MAF you can easily add 50-70 rwhp or more, just with a MAF and chips all under $ 1500.00.

[Moneyguy1]

lart951:

Did you really think my post was directed only at you?

Sorry you feel that way.

[speedracing944]

Originally posted by lart951

For as long as Doug has the forum named after me, I will continue to do what I do.

Cya [/B][/QUOTE]

Lart951,
Is this the root cause for all the anger? There has been so many inside jokes posted from both sides that I just don't get it. There must be something bothering you more than a couple of guys with V-8's under the hood.

Do you have pics of your car you can post. What mods are you running?

Speedy

[jim302]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
lart951:

Did you really think my post was directed only at you?

Sorry you feel that way.

Everything is directed at him. He’s not paranoid. Everyone is out to get him.

[Moneyguy1]

Hey..

I respect both ends of the spectrum..The guy that spends six years looking for an original 1941 Ford radiator shell and those who adapt anything that remotely fits..It's all fun!!

[lart951]

[i]
Do you have pics of your car you can post. What mods are you running?

Speedy [/B]

I am 944 lover. As daily driver I have been able to used the 944 n/a, with great success they are reliable and save me a lot of gas. With the traffic around Los Angeles you don't need a lot of power but a gas saver.

I have owned 4 944 n/a and 4 turbos including the one that got rear ended last month. Thursday I was able to pick up my fifth 951 to start my new project; a" Vitesse powered 951 with at least 400rwhp". My 951's were modified for track use and here it's a list of my last car mods.


LR Digital MAF
LR Stg II intercooler
55#. Injectors
Authotority Chips
AFPR
Wideband dataloger
Forged BOV
SFR Turbo Stg I
AccuBoost
GR Wastegate
Test pipe
M030 sway bars
Bilstein Coilovers w/hypercoil springs
LSD tranny.

I have been able to achieve 272rwhp @ 15psi with pump gas and 323rwhp @ 18psi with a mix of 10% xylene
See the attached dyno's

Also see the pictures of my cars.

My 1st 944


my 2nd 944


My current 944 n/a

[lart951]

My 1st 951

My 2nd 951

My parts supplier. 86 race car


The one that got rear ended


The one I bough last Thursday , I will be using the engine, suspension and LSD tranny from the one that got rear ended.


My car at the dyno.


My wideband dataloger

My A/F ratio, tuned with the Lindsey digital MAF(power perfect)

Dyno sheet 2

I am not a purist, I don't care about the hybrids. I was doing it because the constant bashing from the hybrid crowd. Case closed

[Moneyguy1]

It's funny..most of the bashing in the past has been TOWARD the hybrid crowd, not the other way 'round.

Everybody has a point beyond which criticism is no longer acceptable.

I think back to cars like the AC Cobra. I imagine that some of the purists of the day were outraged when Ford V8s were being installed in their "babies"!! Once again, the difference was the depth of the innovator's pockets.

[lart951]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
It's funny..most of the bashing in the past has been TOWARD the hybrid crowd, not the other way 'round.

Everybody has a point beyond which criticism is no longer acceptable.

I think back to cars like the AC Cobra. I imagine that some of the purists of the day were outraged when Ford V8s were being installed in their "babies"!! Once again, the difference was the depth of the innovator's pockets.

I don't think that you want me to start all over again. But I have plenty of proof that the bashing started by dmsog and predator. Anyway I agree swapping a v8 into a 944 n/a it's entertaining, perhaps different but I wouldn't use the word "innovation". Yes the v8 is quite less expensive to maintain than a Porsche engine. But in my own oppinion innovation is for an example, when the 944/951 engine was introduced 20 years ago, every single car manufacturer had a challenge to make a better car, 944/951 was the car to beat.

You want to see innovation here it's a fine example:
533RWHP from a 2.5L 4 cylinder engine and also it's a daily driver.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=233315&page=1&pp=15

[Moneyguy1]

lart..

Respectfully...Do a search on hybrids on past posts. As a long time poster here, I have seen dozens of them and most were very demeaning toward anyone seeking info on alternative power plants. "What about an LT1" or: "How can I get more HP from my NA?"...response..."No!! Sacrilige!! Buy a 951!!" Newbies are usually the brunt of such "attacks" (can't think of another suitable word..please forgive, guys)

We all have our points of view. All I am saying is they are all valid. If one wishes to stick with the four banger, all well and good. If one wishes to experiment, that is good too. All you need is cash as the song goes....

Why all the angst? I don't see anyone demeaning your point of view...Or am I missing something?

Start all over again? What? Please do not confuse me with someone who cares.

And I do admire the work you have done. Just as I would anyone who has performed magic on any vehicle, whether it be restored to stock, modified or hybridized..

This is becoming silly and non productive.

INNOVATION:

"The implementation of a new or improved idea, good, service, process ot practice which is intended to be useful."

or:

technological improvements in products and processes

or as another definition states:

"All innovation begins with creative ideas"

Anyone who has built a car out of desparate parts has had to use a high degree of innovation and creativity. Much easier to stick with what was in there in the first place!!! No surprises.....No extensive fabrication..

Cheers!!

[lart951]

You are probably right, perhaps that has been the case on this forums. I seldom post on pelican parts forums. I ussualy post on rennlist.

Thanks

Luis

[A81Sturmer]

OMG

It's all good.
Some of it's G R E A T.

[mrmad]

this is my hybrid soon to be procharged




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