Visiting the 1%

[curtisr]

Originally Posted by kuehjo

LOL!!

No worries - I totally get it!

Whew! It's darn near impossible to get the proper context or tone from an 'inanimate' email message..!

Didn't mean to sound like a sob story, and I hope it didn't come across that way. I just meant to illustrate what opportunity this country gives us. But I work on my cars because I HAD to, so I know HOW to - and now I do it because I WANT to.

I'm with you--it's incredibly satisfying. Self-reliance (while not always possible especially with PCars...lol!) ain't so bad either. :-)

Trust me - I'm watching all of these folks leasing Panameras and just waiting for another year or two when then leases start coming due - my wife would LOVE to have one, and i would equally love to let her have one - just not at new car prices.

And thank heavens for Craig's List!!!

[kuehjo]

Amen Brother!!!

[Fixer]

Originally Posted by Kalspeed

Tonight last debate...watch it and support and make correct decision..it's a mess here with the Police blocking every
thoroughfare

I watched and i am voting Romney

[Landseer]

Agreed, tired of living inside O's personal social experiment.

[Mat 71]

Everybody has the ability to spend more than they make and that will define whether you even have a shot at being in the "1%" club.

Wealth is relative to what you save vs. what you spend...ask Ed McMahon...debt is the evil genius that seperates the haves and have nots.

Mat

[harborman]

Originally Posted by Landseer

Agreed, tired of living inside O's personal social experiment.

Amazing how few Americans even know the basics of our government and laws. I have a friend who considers him self smart but does not know what socialism it. All I know is people like Ford who built a motor on his kitchen table and created one of the biggest and most innovative, successful American companies is my idea of success and what we are capable of in a free society. If Gm was allowed to go bankrupt, I am sure Ford, Porsche and others would have picked up the best pieces and created even better, cheaper, quality cars and not supported by us taxpayers!!!!

[Danglerb]

The GM bailout wasn't to save GM, or the auto industry, it was about union pensions and votes for Democrats.

Its all a bit moot though, the handwriting is on the wall, the gasoline dependent automobile is on its last legs, and along with it the idea of a car being "fun" as opposed to transportation.

[Kalspeed]

Originally Posted by harborman

Amazing how few Americans even know the basics of our government and laws. I have a friend who considers him self smart but does not know what socialism it. !

There is a difference between Socialism (Marxism doctrine) and a Social Government.... that's why Europe has a VAT..to pay for free programs.

In the end nothing is free

[curtisr]

Originally Posted by harborman

All I know is people like Ford who built a motor on his kitchen table and created one of the biggest and most innovative, successful American companies is my idea of success and what we are capable of in a free society.

A genius truly. Especially when it came to methods of manufacture. Still, those who believe that he revolutionized wages as well don't realize that he had no choice. Fully 92.3 percent of those who applied for a job on the new-fangled assembly line quit. (This means 923 out of 1000 couldn't stomach what was being offered.) Because they were lazy one might wonder? Nope, because the craftsmen who applied told Ford he had destroyed any chance of them maintaining positive self-worth and pride in a job well-done thanks to the mass-production model. To get the remaining 7.7 percent to stick it out, Henry bid the wages up to $5 a day. Don't believe the bit about such a wage to assure that these folks could purchase the cars they were making. This daily rate was necessary to bribe employees to forgo human excellence. Source: Crawford, M. B. Shop Class as Soul Craft Penguin Press, 2009.

[curtisr]

Originally Posted by Kalspeed

There is a difference between Socialism (Marxism doctrine) and a Social Government.... that's why Europe has a VAT..to pay for free programs. In the end nothing is free

Perhaps the folks in Europe were listening to US VP Henry Wallace who, in '45, wrote an article published by The Atlantic Monthly in which he outlined a post-WWII economic plan for the world offering "minimum standards of food, clothing and shelter". He was of the belief that "If we can afford tremendous sums of money to win the war, we can afford to invest whatever amount it takes to win the peace". Call Wallace what you will but this American ideal was nothing short of socialism plain and simple. It certainly wasn't though, communism; neither did it mean doing away with a market economy that recognizes the value inherent in certain occupations nor was the suggestion being made that to be rich is somehow bad. Never, ever.

Helping those who need it and when they need it helps everyone in the long run. And while there will always be those who abuse it--including corporate welfare bums such as the big banks--doesn't mean that 'people' be they incorporated or not, should ever be ignored or be able to get away with poor choices scott-free.

So, is there no such thing as a free lunch? Right-o. Unless, however, you want to come over to help me install some new air-oil breather o-rings and then it's all the pizza and beer you can handle. No charge. Not even a VAT. Honestly.

[Kalspeed]

Socialism in it's original doctrine was not the ideal of Communism...Lenin's theory was safe...for a managed society..Stalin had expelled Lenin when he disagreed to another doctrine, then had him murdered

[Fixer]

Originally Posted by harborman

Amazing how few Americans even know the basics of our government and laws. I have a friend who considers him self smart but does not know what socialism it. All I know is people like Ford who built a motor on his kitchen table and created one of the biggest and most innovative, successful American companies is my idea of success and what we are capable of in a free society. If Gm was allowed to go bankrupt, I am sure Ford, Porsche and others would have picked up the best pieces and created even better, cheaper, quality cars and not supported by us taxpayers!!!!

Agreed, but technically they did go through bankruptcy didn't they?
And then they also got a Gov backed bail out by all of us w/o our consent.
Obama takes all this credit when advantageous, but seems to blame when convenient to him at the same time.
I didn't grow up with a Father who behaved like this at all, it's glaringly obvious to me his character flaws, which is really my problem with him.
I can't even stand his voice anymore to be blunt.

[Danglerb]

Socialism sounds so smooth, bread and circus is more to the point. Make a segment of the population dependent on the government, and you will have their full attention and vote as long as you make them think the other guy is going to slow down the flow to the trough.

[Fixer]

Founding Fathers warned of this happening, that it would be the end..

[AirtekHVAC]

So, is there no such thing as a free lunch? Right-o. Unless, however, you want to come over to help me install some new air-oil breather o-rings and then it's all the pizza and beer you can handle. No charge. Not even a VAT. Honestly.

Curtis, If I was anywhere near you, I would so take you up on this!!...lol

[Illini-heel]

Originally Posted by curtisr

Perhaps the folks in Europe were listening to US VP Henry Wallace who, in '45, wrote an article published by The Atlantic Monthly in which he outlined a post-WWII economic plan for the world offering "minimum standards of food, clothing and shelter". He was of the belief that "If we can afford tremendous sums of money to win the war, we can afford to invest whatever amount it takes to win the peace". Call Wallace what you will but this American ideal was nothing short of socialism plain and simple. It certainly wasn't though, communism; neither did it mean doing away with a market economy that recognizes the value inherent in certain occupations nor was the suggestion being made that to be rich is somehow bad. Never, ever.

Helping those who need it and when they need it helps everyone in the long run. And while there will always be those who abuse it--including corporate welfare bums such as the big banks--doesn't mean that 'people' be they incorporated or not, should ever be ignored or be able to get away with poor choices scott-free.

So, is there no such thing as a free lunch? Right-o. Unless, however, you want to come over to help me install some new air-oil breather o-rings and then it's all the pizza and beer you can handle. No charge. Not even a VAT. Honestly.

Please explain "corporate welfare"; the biggest misnomer spin in the Dems arsenal.

[ronster]

Stay away from those 1% ers they can be dangerous to your health!!!
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[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by Illini-heel

Please explain "corporate welfare"; the biggest misnomer spin in the Dems arsenal.

Any government program that doesn't buy votes for Democrats.

That is the salty response, but whats missing is the nature of politics, every bit of pork on the right has some equal pork on the left to get them both passed into law.

What gets me the most is all the talk about rich not paying taxes due to investment in tax free state and municipal bonds. People seem ignorant about what would happen if the bonds were not tax free, the rates would go up enough to compensate for the tax, which means all state and local projects would pay much higher interest rates. This isn't a simple tit for tat, the higher the interest rate the shorter the practical term of the bond because interest compounds.

[Fixer]

Originally Posted by Kalspeed

Socialism in it's original doctrine was not the ideal of Communism...Lenin's theory was safe...for a managed society..Stalin had expelled Lenin when he disagreed to another doctrine, then had him murdered

touching,

Compare them to Washington and Jefferson.

[rjm65]

Originally Posted by curtisr

Perhaps the folks in Europe were listening to US VP Henry Wallace who, in '45, wrote an article published by The Atlantic Monthly in which he outlined a post-WWII economic plan for the world offering "minimum standards of food, clothing and shelter".

Or maybe to FDR on his proposed 2nd bill of rights speech in '44.