Questionable Practices at Bring A Trailer ( BAT )

[trader220]

What's the final number going to be on this turbo?

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by JMS935

The Carfax shows 4 owners because there have been 4 owners.

1. Original owner (the pilot).
2. Friend of original owner.
3. Original owner bought it back from friend.
4. Current owner / BaT seller.

This is all listed in the 1st paragraph of the auction.

In NJ every time a new title/owner is issued, mileage must be recorded. Can’t imagine other States don’t do the same regardless of who the buyer is.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by speednme1

In NJ every time a new title/owner is issued, mileage must be recorded. Can’t imagine other States don’t do the same regardless of who the buyer is.

They dont. Some states are a joke, others dont even issue titles for cars as old as 964's or impact bumper 911's

[trader220]

Interesting BAT auction...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-porsche-911-carrera-4s-20/

This car had 106,156 back in 2010, the last mileage note on the carfax. Now it shows 106,200 and its listed saying the speedo was rebuilt. Okay so no idea of how many miles in the last 8 years huh? No photos of the seats or underside?

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by trader220

What's the final number going to be on this turbo?

$175k plus fees is my guess

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by speednme1

In NJ every time a new title/owner is issued, mileage must be recorded. Can’t imagine other States don’t do the same regardless of who the buyer is.

It is a bit odd, but I think that NJ is far more thorough when titling a car vs Florida.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

$175k plus fees is my guess

I’ll take the under. I think the missing options stickers plus the monkey business written in the service manual will hold it back some, even though the car itself is mint.

[specialtyoneinc]

$170k including fees. Market correct IMO.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-porsche-911-turbo-930-2/?blm=5

[Macroni]

$165,000.

Peanut Gallery's opinion?

[pmax]

Is there a parallel BAT universe type deal going on here ?

[QueWhy]

Originally Posted by Macroni

$165,000.

Peanut Gallery's opinion?

If the seller had been more transparent from the beginning he would probably have gotten 20-30k more.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by QueWhy

If the seller had been more transparent from the beginning he would probably have gotten 20-30k more.

Yep, maybe not that much more, but he cost himself some cash for sure. And I bet he might’ve even lowered the reserve mid auction to get it sold now too after that debacle.

[Cobalt]

Can someone explain the vin tags on this 88 turbo? The TSB for the 89 and 94 964's indicate all panels including doors, door jams. rear and front bumpers, hood, deck lid etc all should have vin tags. I am not familiar with the 88's but they show a vin tag under the hood and on the rear deck lid but I see no signs on the doors, door jams etc.

The engine fan is very corroded considering miles and overall condition which I find odd along with the new engine sound pad.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

The engine fan is very corroded considering miles and overall condition which I find odd along with the new engine sound pad.

A gut feeling I have is this car is not what it seems to be. I have seen cars that have 56K miles on them that look the same from the bottom. My gut tells me there are shenanigans involved - but the seller and buyer don't seem to care.

[Mocker]

Originally Posted by QueWhy

If the seller had been more transparent from the beginning he would probably have gotten 20-30k more.

There's a lesson here: If you're not sure about something, just say "I don't know, but I'll find out!" Don't make stuff up, people.

[Matt Monson]

^Wise words

[QueWhy]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

A gut feeling I have is this car is not what it seems to be. I have seen cars that have 56K miles on them that look the same from the bottom. My gut tells me there are shenanigans involved - but the seller and buyer don't seem to care.

I think so too. The logbook seems a little odd to me, I know pilots are fastidious quirky creatures but it still seems odd. After the hand written options “sticker” appeared with the sports seat code and the window sticker was finally revealed showing no sport seats, I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole thing was a forgery.

[littleoldman]

BAT - Auction for the silver RSR . Style 911...
I posted a comment and BAT never posted it...as I guess they didn't like me stating the market for Cars has dried up due to the Stock Market crashing...meaning there is no 1% buying cars.

I saw several Posts by others pop up and quickly deleted by BAT...I assume they were also pointing out the obvious.

BAT may be over till the next wave of 1% get their bonuses and Tax credits!

[JMS935]

Here is another prime example of either BaT blinders, or some shady sh|t again. And I’m not so sure it’s the BaT blinders here, since the ‘buyer’ is brand new to BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-mercedes-benz-clk63-amg-black-series-4/

Did someone really choose to pay thousands more than they needed to? Or did the seller just get caught holding the bag shill bidding their own auction? I’m wondering if maybe they shill bid it under their reserve yet still up too high, thinking it would just be RNM, but instead BaT cut their commission - took less - and sold it anyways. LMAO

Either way it’s pretty funny. The only two options are a completely obtuse buyer, or, a seller that just paid BaT a lot of money for nothing.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Here is another prime example of either BaT blinders, or some shady sh|t again. And I’m not so sure it’s the BaT blinders here, since the ‘buyer’ is brand new to BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2008-mercedes-benz-clk63-amg-black-series-4/

Did someone really choose to pay thousands more than they needed to? Or did the seller just get caught holding the bag shill bidding their own auction? I’m wondering if maybe they shill bid it under their reserve yet still up too high, thinking it would just be RNM, but instead BaT cut their commission - took less - and sold it anyways. LMAO

Either way it’s pretty funny. The only two options are a completely obtuse buyer, or, a seller that just paid BaT a lot of money for nothing.

The seller was the same seller I mentioned the other day with regard to questionable practices. It does seem really fishy.

On the 2008 997 base coupe he no sale'd and then "sold" outside BAT to one of the bidders..... I know exactly what he paid for that car and I cannot imagine he made anything on it knowing his rough costs after purchasing the car at Manheim. I suspect it will show up on his site or another again at a high price.