What happened folks ?!! - Page 3

wgwollet · 01-04-2019, 03:25 PM

You live in a Cave

Come on do not be so clueless

Rawknees'Turbo · 01-04-2019, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by speednme1

These cars are not about modern performance, they are emotional nostalgic buys. You can get an excellent modern high performance car for half of what these old girls are selling for. Look at many classic Ferrari's, they are full of compromises yet they command some of the highest prices of all classic cars. Just look at the Alfa community,
same thing is occurring. Some people just want to be able to connect, something that seems to be missing from many modern performance cars.

Agreed, RawhideRey, butt I still think they are overpriced machines, bigtime (the parts, too - what a ripoff, but Porsche can charge such ridiculous prices, even for junk new parts, because people like me are still willing to pay).

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Originally Posted by bell911

Cat is a fine meal. It’s second only to raccoon

Yes, very tasty indeed!!!

Rick Brooklyn · 01-04-2019, 05:50 PM

"performance" is overrated, in my opinion. I recently sold a 2016 GT350. I took it to the track a few times and it was phenomenal, but it was boring, at least to me, on the road.

The most fun I have driving is on country roads, doing maybe 65mph or thereabout. For that type of driving the middie is wonderful. It puts to use every one of its puny 150hp. It weighs 2,500lbs, so they're more than enough. You can steer with the throttle. Unassisted brakes and steering make you feel the car working for you and with you.

With the Shelby it was like playing an old video game. Way too much car for that kind of driving. The performance envelope was too far out. 520hp, magneride shocks that keep the car perfectly level at all times, not an inch of yaw, not a hair of nosedive, turning like it was riding on tracks. I could almost hear the car yawning. If it could talk it would have said "wtf is this crap? I thought we were going to Watkins Glen".

Rawknees'Turbo · 01-04-2019, 05:55 PM

Only in a vintage car forum would you see members talking about how inferior performance is a plus!

JMS935 · 01-04-2019, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Only in a vintage car forum would you see members talking about how inferior performance is a plus!

I don’t get it either Rawk. Getting boosted is the only option. My entry Porsche was a wimpy ass 1972 normally aspirated POS targa, I couldn’t wait to get rid of it and graduate to a turbo. I haven’t driven a NA Porsche since, good riddance.

Matt Monson · 01-04-2019, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Only in a vintage car forum would you see members talking about how inferior performance is a plus!

Some people like foreplay. Others just want to take a blue pill.

Rawknees'Turbo · 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JMS935

I don’t get it either Rawk. Getting boosted is the only option. My entry Porsche was a wimpy ass 1972 normally aspirated POS targa, I couldn’t wait to get rid of it and graduate to a turbo. I haven’t driven a NA Porsche since, good riddance.

Each to their own, and I see what SickRick is saying (what does one find entertaining?), but in a car, under 300hp/300 ft.lbs torque does not entertain me, as less stones than that does not provide the brute acceleration that I enjoy above all other motoring experiences (if it doesn't put you back in the seat, with authority, when the throttle is opened, then it's not a real "sports car").

My entry into Porsche was a 914 - had two of them in my early 20s; one was totaled when I was rearended (not like THAT!

) on one of the highways here (when stopped for another wreck that had recently taken place) and the other one I built the engine (cam, big bore kit, Webbers, etc.) and even it was slow as molasses by my current standards (at the time, I though is was sort of quick, but wasn't satisfied). Now, a low horsepower machine like that, regardless of light weight, does not interest me whatsoever.

Honestly, I'm sufficiently entertained by just having the available power, and knowing that I built it like so, even if I rarely use all that's there (I do not "do the twisties" on public roads - not fun to me . . . but accelerating hard on the local highways, whizzing by people with lots of noise and stink, and generally behaving like a stereotypical Porsche douchebag/jackass on them, is another story!

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Some people like foreplay. Others just want to take a blue pill.

Wutz, "foreplay" - that extra tissue that some cultures commonly remove from newborn males?!?!

JMS935 · 01-04-2019, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

if it doesn't put you back in the seat, with authority, when the throttle is opened, then it's not a real "sports car” accelerating hard on the local highways, whizzing by people with lots of noise and stink, and generally behaving like a stereotypical Porsche douchebag/jackass on them, is another story!

).

I completely agree, that’s the epitome of owning a Porsche...to lay down the hammer on the highway and blow by everyone like a schmuck. Without the hammer - there’s nothing there to lay on. You could pull up next to a granny in her Camry and wave hello

to her, that’s about it. LoL

It’s like doing drugs without ever feeling the high if you never get to experience being fully boosted in a Porsche! That’s stupid right? Rhetorical.

Unobtanium-inc · 01-04-2019, 09:58 PM

I think every collection should have cars for different moods. When I want raw speed, I jump into the C43 AMG, it's very fast, and can corner and brake to match. When I want to wave to my neighbors and take the kids for ice cream, we jump in the Stang, I get more thumbs up in that car that any of them. When I want something to take to work and haul ass on the on ramps, I take the 993, because it's nice to have heat and AC in a Porsche. When I want the wind in my hair and a sense of nostalgia, of understanding how Porsche got here, I take the 356. And the old adage is true, driving a slow car fast can be a lot of fun.
Personally, I would rather have a stable of different cars that only have 1 car. As far as dream cars, well, I'm building those and true Porsche nostalgia, I have two of those waiting for restoration, one won at Daytona and the other was ordered by a King.
Bottom line, drive what drives you.

---Adam

wayner · 01-05-2019, 01:09 AM

Wow!

For a car guy, it doesn’t get much better than that!

speednme1 · 01-05-2019, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Wutz, "foreplay" - that extra tissue that some cultures commonly remove from newborn males?!?!

No foreplay? with a name like Rawkees..I would have guess that is your specialty

sugarwood · sugarwood's Garage

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Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

You can steer with the throttle. .

Wait, you're driving so hard on public roads that you're actually at the limits of your traction, with your tires screaming? Only time I have ever steering with throttle was on an AX course, and a skid pad. Where are these roads where you can do this without hitting an SUV every 10 feet ?

Rawknees'Turbo · 01-05-2019, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by speednme1

No foreplay? with a name like Rawkees..I would have guess that is your specialty

Oh man, that's awesome!

Rick Brooklyn · 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood

Wait, you're driving so hard on public roads that you're actually at the limits of your traction, with your tires screaming? Only time I have ever steering with throttle was on an AX course, and a skid pad. Where are these roads where you can do this without hitting an SUV every 10 feet ?

No, you're not at the limits of traction, but you can adjust the radius of your turn with the amount of throttle very easily.

The key to not hitting SUVs or rather landscaping pickups and other trucks is the time of day. Sunday morning 7am works well for me.

QueWhy · 01-05-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn

"performance" is overrated, in my opinion. I recently sold a 2016 GT350. I took it to the track a few times and it was phenomenal, but it was boring, at least to me, on the road.

The most fun I have driving is on country roads, doing maybe 65mph or thereabout. For that type of driving the middie is wonderful. It puts to use every one of its puny 150hp. It weighs 2,500lbs, so they're more than enough. You can steer with the throttle. Unassisted brakes and steering make you feel the car working for you and with you.

With the Shelby it was like playing an old video game. Way too much car for that kind of driving. The performance envelope was too far out. 520hp, magneride shocks that keep the car perfectly level at all times, not an inch of yaw, not a hair of nosedive, turning like it was riding on tracks. I could almost hear the car yawning. If it could talk it would have said "wtf is this crap? I thought we were going to Watkins Glen".

I agree with all of this. Before buying my SC I was looking for a 996TT after a couple test drives I realized the car was worthless on US roads. If I was still living in southern Germany it would be a different story. Driving a fast car slow is no fun. Plus all the HP in the world can’t make a big car small or a heavy car light.

QueWhy · 01-05-2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood

Wait, you're driving so hard on public roads that you're actually at the limits of your traction, with your tires screaming? Only time I have ever steering with throttle was on an AX course, and a skid pad. Where are these roads where you can do this without hitting an SUV every 10 feet ?

Out west. But don’t come here, we’re full. Stay in Manhattan or Singapore or wherever you live.