Recession sink values????

[996AE]

Until you see your 401k, unemployment numbers, growth, killed Obamations destroy american agenda.

Goofy is watching the left heads exploding, still.

Yes, HRC lost.

Two years ago.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Matt, everyone knows that the State Car of Colorado, Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire is a Subie, as most people in these states and climes have long given up on Land Rovers and Range Rovers as suitable vehicles to transport them in the snow and mountains. Most people in these states love them for good reason. What's the alternative?

What I've started daily driving, a VW Sportwagen 4motion DSG. Subaru won't bring us the Levorg, so I defected a few months ago. I've still got my GC Impreza in the driveway but I need to build a new engine for it. My run around is now German for the first time ever.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by 996AE

Until you see your 401k, unemployment numbers, growth, killed Obamations destroy american agenda.

Goofy is watching the left heads exploding, still.

Yes, HRC lost.

Two years ago.

There always got to be someone to bring politics into it these days.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

There always got to be someone to bring politics into it these days.

I had a jackass worthy counter composed but decided against it since I tend to get moderator spanked for political commentary (still serving an extended spanking from PARF, in fact ).

[pmax]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Moron, I hate to break it to you, but you should've been better prepped. I own 2 Subarus.

Fixed it for ya !

[dwelle]

i've owned 2 WRXs. i've come to absolutely hate those cars.

that is all...

[Unobtanium-inc]

Here is my real world take on young guy's wanting Porsches, 356's in particular. They call me and always an A Coupe, they say they've given up on a Speedster. I tell them prices for A Coupes and they say, "what can $15,000-20,000 get me?" I sell a lot of turd B Coupes this way, to guys way way younger than me. 912's too!
The passion is there, the $$$ is not.
Porsches are timeless, demand ebbs and flows, but they've never not been coveted, in 70 years. I don't I-Phone's and Uber is going to kill that.

---Adam

[faapgar]

My daily driver is German.Two VW V10 Twin Turbodiesels and C240 Benz Wagon.V10 loves to dust pretty much anything for breakfast.Fred

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

Here is my real world take on young guy's wanting Porsches, 356's in particular. They call me and always an A Coupe, they say they've given up on a Speedster. I tell them prices for A Coupes and they say, "what can $15,000-20,000 get me?" I sell a lot of turd B Coupes this way, to guys way way younger than me. 912's too!
The passion is there, the $$$ is not.
Porsches are timeless, demand ebbs and flows, but they've never not been coveted, in 70 years. I don't I-Phone's and Uber is going to kill that.

---Adam

I wonder how much of this is driven by the romanticism of classic cars that is seen on Instagram and various sites like Petrolicious, BringaTrailer, etc.

I also wonder how many quickly find the reality of classic ownership being starkly different from the fantasy of problem-free Saturday afternoon cruising versus the cost of various minor and major mechanical failures.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I wonder how much of this is driven by the romanticism of classic cars that is seen on Instagram and various sites like Petrolicious, BringaTrailer, etc.

I also wonder how many quickly find the reality of classic ownership being starkly different from the fantasy of problem-free Saturday afternoon cruising versus the cost of various minor and major mechanical failures.

Me too!

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I wonder how much of this is driven by the romanticism of classic cars that is seen on Instagram and various sites like Petrolicious, BringaTrailer, etc.

I also wonder how many quickly find the reality of classic ownership being starkly different from the fantasy of problem-free Saturday afternoon cruising versus the cost of various minor and major mechanical failures.

Right on to this one. You have to figure that most of these millennials have no idea how to wrench. Why? Time. Their parents don't even have time to cook a meal for dinner, never mind wrench on a car.

I grew up in a household where my father had to fix things. He had to fix the car when it broke down because there wasn't money left from his pay as a teacher to have it done. He had to patch up the muffler. It was the way it was. I learned lots of skills from this.

Kids nowadays don't have access to their parents the way I did. The weekends are spent pulling their kids here to there, from birthday party to sports. No time to really learn from your parents.

I learned from my grandfather and uncle to adjust valves on a VW. It's what people did on the weekends in the '70s. Maybe they didn't want to do it, but it's what you did.

I can't imagine some millennial going completely cold into a 356 floor replacement or a engine build. I can't imagine them buying a rusty hulk and keeping the dream alive. Maybe, but like I said, people like the idea of it - they have no idea how committed you have to be.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Right on to this one. You have to figure that most of these millennials have no idea how to wrench. Why? Time. Their parents don't even have time to cook a meal for dinner, never mind wrench on a car.

I grew up in a household where my father had to fix things. He had to fix the car when it broke down because there wasn't money left from his pay as a teacher to have it done. He had to patch up the muffler. It was the way it was. I learned lots of skills from this.

Kids nowadays don't have access to their parents the way I did. The weekends are spent pulling their kids here to there, from birthday party to sports. No time to really learn from your parents.

I learned from my grandfather and uncle to adjust valves on a VW. It's what people did on the weekends in the '70s. Maybe they didn't want to do it, but it's what you did.

I can't imagine some millennial going completely cold into a 356 floor replacement or a engine build. I can't imagine them buying a rusty hulk and keeping the dream alive. Maybe, but like I said, people like the idea of it - they have no idea how committed you have to be.

Your myopic world view continues to entertain. Where do you get your information about this plain vanilla wrapper that defines all millennials, from watching the WB?

How many of us are replacing pans on our cars? Most of us are leaving that to the professionals. Plenty of these kids are learning to wrench on their own cars and are doing it. The difference is today they are more likely to get the details of it from a youtube video than a Saturday afternoon with pops. But they are still doing it.

[1979-930]

In a lot of ways they have it easier. You Tube!
I even went there to find out how to get the door panel of my 2014 F150 without breaking a hidden tab when I installed the tow mirrors.


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[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Your myopic world view continues to entertain. Where do you get your information about this plain vanilla wrapper that defines all millennials, from watching the WB?

How many of us are replacing pans on our cars? Most of us are leaving that to the professionals. Plenty of these kids are learning to wrench on their own cars and are doing it. The difference is today they are more likely to get the details of it from a youtube video than a Saturday afternoon with pops. But they are still doing it.

Colorado must be the millennial place for classic action. That's great. What's the WB? Is it a show for millennials that you watch? I don't even have a TV.

If you read Adam's reply, which I agree with and see around here, you'd really open your eyes. They don't have the skills - or the money. They buy 356B turds that are rusted hulks and realize they 1) can't weld, 2) can't wrench, and 3) don't have the money to buy the car in the first place (as Adam said).

I see them buying old 5.0 Mustangs around here - which are rusted. I see them buying old '80s Vettes around here because there are a lot of them and they are cheap. But they sit in the driveway, are put up on craigs. I talked to a guy last month who bought a '67 Mustang and he was telling me how much work it needs. I told him to get into Mustang forums and get parts catalogs. He told me he would rather save the money and have someone else do it.

I'm glad you're entertained on my worldview. I've seen a lot in the world, traveled and lived around the world. Unfortunately, many people have not, and they see what they want to see. The world has changed. So have the cars and so have the people. I guess my worldview comes from experience, and to me, experience is everything.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Right on to this one. You have to figure that most of these millennials have no idea how to wrench. Why? Time. Their parents don't even have time to cook a meal for dinner, never mind wrench on a car.

I grew up in a household where my father had to fix things. He had to fix the car when it broke down because there wasn't money left from his pay as a teacher to have it done. He had to patch up the muffler. It was the way it was. I learned lots of skills from this.

Kids nowadays don't have access to their parents the way I did. The weekends are spent pulling their kids here to there, from birthday party to sports. No time to really learn from your parents.

I learned from my grandfather and uncle to adjust valves on a VW. It's what people did on the weekends in the '70s. Maybe they didn't want to do it, but it's what you did.

I can't imagine some millennial going completely cold into a 356 floor replacement or a engine build. I can't imagine them buying a rusty hulk and keeping the dream alive. Maybe, but like I said, people like the idea of it - they have no idea how committed you have to be.

The good news is the availability of resources via the Internet are staggering compared to generations prior so anyone who didn't have the fortune of someone teaching them can gain access to all sorts of how-tos, manuals, and YouTube videos with a few keystrokes.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Colorado must be the millennial place for classic action. That's great. What's the WB? Is it a show for millennials that you watch? I don't even have a TV.

If you read Adam's reply, which I agree with and see around here, you'd really open your eyes. They don't have the skills - or the money. They buy 356B turds that are rusted hulks and realize they 1) can't weld, 2) can't wrench, and 3) don't have the money to buy the car in the first place (as Adam said).

I see them buying old 5.0 Mustangs around here - which are rusted. I see them buying old '80s Vettes around here because there are a lot of them and they are cheap. But they sit in the driveway, are put up on craigs. I talked to a guy last month who bought a '67 Mustang and he was telling me how much work it needs. I told him to get into Mustang forums and get parts catalogs. He told me he would rather save the money and have someone else do it.

I'm glad you're entertained on my worldview. I've seen a lot in the world, traveled and lived around the world. Unfortunately, many people have not, and they see what they want to see. The world has changed. So have the cars and so have the people. I guess my worldview comes from experience, and to me, experience is everything.

I'm just saying, for a world traveler, you seem to put a lot of stock of what happens in your own driveway and backyard as if it is somehow transferable to a whole generation of Americans. Need I remind you of your TT with a wing example earlier in this thread? We aren't all the same. They aren't all the same. Some of what you describe is absolutely happening, some of it is not. I just chuckle at the broad strokes with which you paint it all and how quickly you grab on to a post that validates some of what you think as if it makes it some universal law of the world.

And sorry, I should have said CW. They changed their name. It's a TV network. No, I don't watch it either. But it's got a lot of millennial marketing to it...

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I wonder how much of this is driven by the romanticism of classic cars that is seen on Instagram and various sites like Petrolicious, BringaTrailer, etc.



I also wonder how many quickly find the reality of classic ownership being starkly different from the fantasy of problem-free Saturday afternoon cruising versus the cost of various minor and major mechanical failures.

It's the opposite of what you think.

The masses are brainwashed into thinking any car that is over 10 years old is a maintenance disaster money pit. Euro, even worse. Sports car, even worse yet. Old vintage Euro sports car? Kill yourself now.

People new to vintage cars are shocked at how the reality is nothing like the worst case they expected. ($10,000 repairs every other week)

By the time people pull the trigger, they have been told they are insane and reckless. That they will end up bankrupt and homeless.

The reality ends up being a very pleasant surprise. Way fewer repairs than portrayed.. And much cheaper repairs than portrayed.

The cherry on top is when they sell for the same or more than they even paid. Unfathomable for people driving commuter appliances their whole lives.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I wanted to clarify my earlier statement about young guys buying turd 356's. They aren't flush with money but they are full of ambition. I use this example of a guy who bought the very worst car I sold that year, and is making it like new.

Porsche356registry.org • View topic - 356 B T6 Restoration

---Adam

[NYNick]

My 31 year old millennial son has owned a Porsche since he was 19, purchased with his own money. That's 12 years ago, before the major uptick. He did all his own work on that 944S. After he sold it he bought a 3.2 that needed some work because it was all he could afford. Paint, rust repair, interior, suspension etc. Dropped the engine, seals, injectors, hoses, windshields and much, much more. Did this all himself with the exception of paint. He taught himself how with books, youtube and the interweb. Ok, maybe I let him borrow some tools along the way and let him use my garage.

When they were growing up we made time to take them to soccer, school, sports, boy scouts, dances, vacations etc and still sat down to dinner every night. It's a little insulting to hear that this doesn't happen and that those type of 'kids' don't exist. They exist alright. His car friends have been in my garage working on cars to prove it. Just go to a C&C on Sunday morning and look around.

Personally, I could care less if they're driving Miatas, 2002's, WRX's, Novas or 944's. Sure it's nice to see the young guys in Porsches, but I appreciate them being involved, period.

If you don't know any millennials who are in the hobby, you're not looking. They're there alright, building and buying what they can afford, just like I/we did. To argue differently is myopic.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by NYNick

When they were growing up we made time to take them to soccer, school, sports, boy scouts, dances, vacations etc and still sat down to dinner every night.

Yup, get them interested early and they will enjoy it. Max came in 2nd in the pine wood derby, we are shooting for #1 this year!

Show them what a tool is, what they can do with it, kids are kids, fancy electronics doesn't change that. My daughter is the same way with art, it's amazing the stuff she does because we got her into it early. Her work was shown at the State Capitol last year, not bad for a 9 year old.

---Adam