Is the Backdating Fad Over?

[da Vinci Dan]

I am so tired of it. The same recipe over and over. I know the prices remain high, exemplified by that RWB horror show on BAT. However, my guess is this Summer will show these cars to be a thing of the past. Certainly, the most lovely examples i.e. Singers, will remain strong. What’s the Gestalt?

[scottrx7tt]

I’m more of a fan of a “hot rod” or “Resto-mod”. Just build a car to your liking and no one else’s. The thing that gets me is unwillingness of people to deviate from the “all original” look, including insisting on factory 15-16” Fuchs or you aren’t a real porscheaholic. If a person likes a backdate or a RWB, more power to them, I can appreciate both.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by scottrx7tt

I’m more of a fan of a “hot rod” or “Resto-mod”. Just build a car to your liking and no one else’s. The thing that gets me is unwillingness of people to deviate from the “all original” look, including insisting on factory 15-16” Fuchs or you aren’t a real porscheaholic. If a person likes a backdate or a RWB, more power to them, I can appreciate both.

I agree to an extent but I think it’s not just about being a purist, it’s that fuchs look better than 95% of every other wheel out there. There are some exceptions like Campagnolos and a few others

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by da Vinci Dan

I am so tired of it. The same recipe over and over. I know the prices remain high, exemplified by that RWB horror show on BAT. However, my guess is this Summer will show these cars to be a thing of the past. Certainly, the most lovely examples i.e. Singers, will remain strong. What’s the Gestalt?

I’m not sure why it would be. The early 911 was the original design. Aesthetically, many of the changes over the years were made to satisfy regulations.

As I see it, backdating could be viewed as what would have been the natural evolution of the design outside of regulatory influences.


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[specialtyoneinc]

I'm over backdates for the most part, but a few examples with factory & period correct parts tickle my fancy.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

I just want to know when the tail delete fad will be over - sux that peeps actually want to make their 911s look more like VW Bugs!

[NYNick]

Backdate schmackdate. Build the car you like. No reason to name it.

[911hutch]

Backdate Delete

[MichaelB]

I think it will be here for awhile. Why? Because most would want the niceties that a 1988 3.2 911 offers ~ but yet have the cool long-hood look on the outside.

I for one like the nature (read: lightweight) of the original long-hood and a high 7200 RPM redline that can come along with it.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

I just want to know when the tail delete fad will be over - sux that peeps actually want to make their 911s look more like VW Bugs!

im pretty sure more tails have been added than ever actually deleted. im confident my on road driving these days does not reach the extreme of needing any rear wing. my spec911 had the biggest IROC tail available and I used every bit of it back in the day. with 1" of wicker even!!!


now, with a turbo poooowaaah & the innercooler needs it's near mandatory I reckon.. or simply to look cool as balls & raw

[Matt Monson]

It's not a tail delete if the car didn't start with one.

I had my longnose phase. I had a few of them, including an RS look 68. Now I've had a few IB cars. I like them all.

[911hutch]

"Tail Delete"....please, no.... I hope the P Car community doesn't start that embracing misnomer.

I am always responding to people who when they see my '78 SC say "Oh that's rare, it's a sunroof delete coupe" and I say " No it's not a sunroof delete car, it was built without the sunroof, AC, power window and any other option other than a radio."

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It's not a tail delete if the car didn't start with one.

I had my longnose phase. I had a few of them, including an RS look 68. Now I've had a few IB cars. I like them all.

Originally Posted by 911hutch

"Tail Delete"....please, no.... I hope the P Car community doesn't start that embracing misnomer.

I am always responding to people who when they see my '78 SC say "Oh that's rare, it's a sunroof delete coupe" and I say " No it's not a sunroof delete car, it was built without the sunroof, AC, power window and any other option other than a radio."

I was not referring to how the car came from the factory; my BS comment was about the no-taste-having people, like Toby , that bought a used 911 with a tail on it (no shiits given to when and where the tail was installed) and then removed it because they are confused about the type of car they own, and/or they are optically challenged. Yer both welcome!

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by wilnj

I’m not sure why it would be. The early 911 was the original design. Aesthetically, many of the changes over the years were made to satisfy regulations.

As I see it, backdating could be viewed as what would have been the natural evolution of the design outside of regulatory influences.

This is an interesting thought and one to think about.

Not all changes were made due to regulations - certainly not very important ones.

But then you have to think about that Porsche unceremoniously threw cast iron weights into the front bumpers of anything pre-1970 because the cars handled like crap to some people.

The 911 would not have stayed the same in looks even if there were no regulations. They would have changed. An impact bumper car handles much better than an old-car longhood. It does. People don't see this because they haven't driven enough old 911s.

So do you say that 911 progression is actually 911 regression?

I think not. Not even close. Are you going to put a Turbo motor in a SWB chassis and hope for the best?

So at what point does one embrace a better handing car, better and wider rims, better engines, better interiors, better electrics - all the things that came on G-Bodies.

So do we get rid of galvanized bodies while we are at it? Do you throw away newer and wider and better tires? (Because these are all due to DOT regs over here in the US). Do we throw out door beams and better half-shafts? Keep Birol cylinders?

I'd like to think that the Porsche 911 was progress. Yes, mistakes were made, but a lot was done to bring the car to maturity.

[wayner]

I “correct dated”my 73

At some point in its life it had been converted to look like an SC

[da Vinci Dan]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

This is an interesting thought and one to think about.

Not all changes were made due to regulations - certainly not very important ones.

But then you have to think about that Porsche unceremoniously threw cast iron weights into the front bumpers of anything pre-1970 because the cars handled like crap to some people.

The 911 would not have stayed the same in looks even if there were no regulations. They would have changed. An impact bumper car handles much better than an old-car longhood. It does. People don't see this because they haven't driven enough old 911s.

So do you say that 911 progression is actually 911 regression?

I think not. Not even close. Are you going to put a Turbo motor in a SWB chassis and hope for the best?

So at what point does one embrace a better handing car, better and wider rims, better engines, better interiors, better electrics - all the things that came on G-Bodies.

So do we get rid of galvanized bodies while we are at it? Do you throw away newer and wider and better tires? (Because these are all due to DOT regs over here in the US). Do we throw out door beams and better half-shafts? Keep Birol cylinders?

I'd like to think that the Porsche 911 was progress. Yes, mistakes were made, but a lot was done to bring the car to maturity.

Sal, congrats. This is your best post ever. BPE!

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by da Vinci Dan

Sal, congrats. This is your best post ever. BPE!

***forum two-handed goosing***

[Matt Monson]

Rowr!

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

I had to look up what "rowr" means - ha ha!

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

This is an interesting thought and one to think about.



Not all changes were made due to regulations - certainly not very important ones...I'd like to think that the Porsche 911 was progress. Yes, mistakes were made, but a lot was done to bring the car to maturity.

Did you miss the part where I said aesthetically?


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