BaT advice needed. Seller is making excuses...

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Yeah, this is timely. I'm about to list a car on BAT on behalf of the seller, and although I have explicit agreement to sell at the negotiated reserve, I would hate to trash my reputation if the third party refused to sell.

The Moto Corse excuse that the owner wanted $20K+ more than reserve is an example of poor communication trashing a reputation.

You and me both. I have a 993 Targa “S” that I helped build 10 or so years ago and the guy passed away so I’m helping his brother sell the car on BAT in the next couple of weeks pro-bono. We can wish each other luck

[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

A couple of lowlife flipper filth up in here!!!

[trader220]

I've sold plenty of cars on BAT. No issues.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by trader220

I've sold plenty of cars on BAT. No issues.

You may have missed our scenarios which is that we represent someone other than ourselves so true “seller” could pull the rug out from underneath us and make us look bad in the face of a buyer

[MrBonus]

I don't get the point of accepting a reserve then not honoring it. Yes, you get exposure but once you go to the rest of the Internet with your car post-listing, buyers are going to wonder why it's still for sale.

[speednme1]

I would not sell a car for a friend or an acquaintance on an auction site without having the car and the title in my possession.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I don't get the point of accepting a reserve then not honoring it. Yes, you get exposure but once you go to the rest of the Internet with your car post-listing, buyers are going to wonder why it's still for sale.

BAT "sales" are non-binding. As you already know very well, this isn't the first "sale" which didn't go through on BAT.

Like any other car, if you really want it, go there, hand over the funds, and drive off. OP should consider doing that.

[rxtrom]

Thank you all for your posts both here and on BaT.

In the end it is just a car. Whether the owner is emotionally attached to it or is comforted with the idea it will fetch more money to help pay bills down the road, fine.
If the seller was able to get more money for it on the side and go back on his commitment to BaT that is fine as well.

Buy the owner/seller and not the car right?

I was only going to drive it... and like most things years from now when I am gone it too will be dust.

Thursday @ 1:30am EST I received an email from someone at BaT asking a couple questions and I have yet to hear back. I'm not sure I will be bidding on any more cars that are not being sold by the actual owner.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by speednme1

I would not sell a car for a friend or an acquaintance on an auction site without having the car and the title in my possession.

I agree however in my case title is not signed yet which is not something that someone would typically do in advance. It's like signing checks in your check book.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I agree however in my case title is not signed yet which is not something that someone would typically do in advance. It's like signing checks in your check book.

Tell that to all the flippers jumping title on cars here every day.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Tell that to all the flippers jumping title on cars here every day.

sure but that's different as the car was sold to the flipper so the seller signed his/her title. My case just helping someone out and literally not getting paid a penny

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

sure but that's different as the car was sold to the flipper so the seller signed his/her title. My case just helping someone out and literally not getting paid a penny

Suit yourself. I wouldn't sell a car for a "friend" without a signed title in my hand.

[pmax]

... as if all cars even have titles ...

[Mocker]

Having the seller have possession of a valid title means that you have an additional owner in the chain of ownership; that's a negative for a one- or two-owner car.

But it's a small price to pay, IMO, for not having to deal with all the drama. Virginia makes it extremely difficult to title a car without a valid title signed by the PO to you.

[Unobtanium-inc]

This is why we don't take consignment cars. People ask me pretty regularly if I will sell their car. Nope, I will buy it and then sell it but not sell it for them. I've seen this go bad sooooo many different ways. Seller decides he wants more money, like this one, happens a lot, but I've also seen it happen where once the car hits the market the owner's best friend says, "You promised me the car." and then the owner sells to him, cutting out the consigner guy. Or the seller thinks you should have gotten more and is pissed and then wants to cut into your cut. It is never a good idea.

---Adam

[pmax]

So, what's the math on these auction sales through multiple intermediaries ?

5% to BAT
?% to consigner or flipper

... perhaps 10% total right off the bat (no pun intended !) ... seems like a lot of wasted $$$ when a simple phone call to the true owner would suffice.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by pmax

What's the math on these auction sales through multiple intermediaries ?

5% to BAT
?% to consigner or flipper

So, perhaps 10% total right off the bat (no pun intended !) ... seems like a lot of wasted $$$ when a simple phone call would suffice.

If you're implying that people can make the same money on their own that they can auctioning their car or selling through a high end dealer, you're naive, terribly so.

---Adam

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

If you're implying that people can make the same money on their own that they can auctioning their car or selling through a high end dealer, you're naive, terribly so.

---Adam

The "math" is from an end user type buyer's point of view ... like the OP.

Hardly surprising you are confused with it.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by pmax

The "math" is from an end user type buyer's point of view ... like the OP.

Hardly surprising you are confused with it.

My confusion may lie with your cryptic quip on the subject, but if you talking about my confusion with the Porsche market in general, I think my multi-million dollar track record speaks for itself. What is it you do again?

---Adam

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

My confusion may lie with your cryptic quip on the subject, but if you talking about my confusion with the Porsche market in general, I think my multi-million dollar track record speaks for itself. What is it you do again?

---Adam

No, not that ! We have all heard about your "flipping" prowess in the wheel barrow wheeled Porsche market. It's just that you couldn't or didn't see things from any other perspective.

OP could be one simple and polite phone call away from his dream car.