BaT advice needed. Seller is making excuses...

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by pmax

No, not that ! We have all heard about your "flipping" prowess in the general Porsche market.

It's just that you couldn't or didn't see things from any other perspective.

OP could be one simple and polite phone call away from his dream car.

My advice PMAX, or whatever your real name is, is to start being a little more articulate in your responses and stop trying to be a quick one liner with the snarky comments, you come off like a troll half the time, and rarely actually add anything to the discussion. There are a lot of people in this forum who really know what they're talking about when it comes to the Porsche Marketplace, you could learn a lot more by listening more and talking less.

But if you are impressed with the "prowess" send me your address, I'll send you one of our posters.

---Adam

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

My advice PMAX, or whatever your real name is, is to start being a little more articulate in your responses and stop trying to be a quick one liner with the snarky comments, you come off like a troll half the time, and rarely actually add anything to the discussion. There are a lot of people in this forum who really know what they're talking about when it comes to the Porsche Marketplace, you could learn a lot more by listening more and talking less.

But if you are impressed with the "prowess" send me your address, I'll send you one of our posters.

---Adam

Groan.

[Matt Monson]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PDi4z5TBz9g

[Rawknees'Turbo]

I heart the Marketplace Forum!!!

[dwelle]

damn straight ronnie.

embed those clips monson!...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by dwelle

damn straight ronnie.

embed those clips monson!...

There’s a glitch with the MPF. I gave up trying.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Suit yourself. I wouldn't sell a car for a "friend" without a signed title in my hand.

Are you insinuating that I’m not truly selling this car on behalf of my deceased friend/client’s brother or are you putting friend in quotes because many people use that line when they are jumping title?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Are you insinuating that I’m not truly selling this car on behalf of my deceased friend/client’s brother or are you putting friend in quotes because many people use that line when they are jumping title?

Dude, you’re wack. I’m not insinuating anything. Don’t you know me well enough by now to now that if I was gonna talk trash I would just talk it?

[ficke]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I wouldn't sell a car for a "friend" without a signed title in my hand.

Only way I would do it. To much at risk any other way.

[Unobtanium-inc]

When it comes to jumping titles there are exceptions that make it much better for everyone. If you buy a car from a state that titles old cars or the title is old enough it make a lot of sense to hold onto that title if you live in a state that doesn't title old cars like NY, MA, CT, GA, etc. Most of these states will give you a registration card or tell you to sell it on a Bill of Sale, both of which can cause problems if you sell to someone in another state or a car that has to pass through customs.
It doesn't affect us, we are a licensed dealer so can re-assign a title, but for the average guys re-selling a car it makes a lot of sense to not put it in his name if he lives in one of the states listed above. A title is a title to a lot of people, they don't want to hear about the legality of Reg's or Bills of Sale.

---Adam

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by pmax

It's just that you couldn't or didn't see things from any other perspective.

you saying that is rich on so many levels nutz! it actually sounds a lot like your general position on many subjects.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

When it comes to jumping titles there are exceptions that make it much better for everyone. If you buy a car from a state that titles old cars or the title is old enough it make a lot of sense to hold onto that title if you live in a state that doesn't title old cars like NY, MA, CT, GA, etc. Most of these states will give you a registration card or tell you to sell it on a Bill of Sale, both of which can cause problems if you sell to someone in another state or a car that has to pass through customs.
It doesn't affect us, we are a licensed dealer so can re-assign a title, but for the average guys re-selling a car it makes a lot of sense to not put it in his name if he lives in one of the states listed above. A title is a title to a lot of people, they don't want to hear about the legality of Reg's or Bills of Sale.

---Adam

In the past, I had a few instances where I flipped a car in 3-10 days and gave the buyer the option of my sale price or a higher price where I transferred the car to myself and paid sales tax on it. In no instance was a buyer in favor of paying more. I don't do that anymore, but I also tend to build 'em rather than flip. From a purely financial perspective, a skipped title can make sense in states where there's sales tax on used car sales.

[brisboats]

Originally Posted by techweenie

In the past, I had a few instances where I flipped a car in 3-10 days and gave the buyer the option of my sale price or a higher price where I transferred the car to myself and paid sales tax on it. In no instance was a buyer in favor of paying more. I don't do that anymore, but I also tend to build 'em rather than flip. From a purely financial perspective, a skipped title can make sense in states where there's sales tax on used car sales.

uh huh, but in those states a skipped title is often illegal. If you want to broker cars get a dealer's license in your state and do it within the law. If you don't have dominion and control over the title to something don't sell it, simple as that. If you want to flip a car get the title in your name and pay the state taxes. Just as you would when flipping a house without a broker's license. Your State may only allow you to do a few a year without the proper license. Very good reasons for that, contact your local dealer's association and they will tell you why.
I have had flipper scum ask me not to sign a title when selling them a car and I always just smile and yell them nope. I pay taxes, lots of em and when someone wants to dodge them I rather not deal with them. Not once has the deal gone South.

B

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by brisboats

uh huh, but in those states a skipped title is often illegal. If you want to broker cars get a dealer's license in your state and do it within the law. If you don't have dominion and control over the title to something don't sell it, simple as that. If you want to flip a car get the title in your name and pay the state taxes. Just as you would when flipping a house without a broker's license. Your State may only allow you to do a few a year without the proper license. Very good reasons for that, contact your local dealer's association and they will tell you why.
I have had flipper scum ask me not to sign a title when selling them a car and I always just smile and yell them nope. I pay taxes, lots of em and when someone wants to dodge them I rather not deal with them. Not once has the deal gone South.

B

Since you seem to have a good grasp on all things legal and wise regarding selling cars please tell me what you think would be the best way to handle my situation. I helped a couple porsche buddies approx 10 years ago both build the 993 of their dreams. We all became good friends through the years. One of the two friends was diagnosed with cancer on his birthday. He came to me about 10 months after his diagnosis and he was pretty ill. I hadn’t seen him for several years prior. We talked porsches and his eyes lit up. I showed him my collection of 911s and he was a kid in a candy store. He told me that he only had several months to live. He was keeping his mind occupied by tying up a couple loose ends on his 993 targa “S” hence his visit to me. He expressed concern over where his prized possession would end up and I told him that he should try to sell it now so that he could help find a buyer that loved it as much as he did and he could control the process. Needless to say he died. He died on his birthday exactly 1-year to the day that he was diagnosed. Never sold the car. His 993 buddy contacted me and asked what I thought about selling the car and I told him about the conversation Jacob and I had about finding someone who loved the car. I suggested BAT to increase the chances of finding that special buyer. He and Jacob’s brother discussed and agreed and asked if I could help them do that? I offered to do it free of charge as I felt it is the least I could do for Jacob. What would you do?

[BLACK3.2]

A BaT sale will just go to the guy with the deepest pocket that happens to be online that day

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by BLACK3.2

A BaT sale will just go to the guy with the deepest pocket that happens to be online that day

In the case of this car no one will reach deep enough into their pockets for this unique car unless they truly appreciate it. It’s reserve is higher than a bone stock original 993 targa as it’s such a beautifully done car and hopefully someone will appreciate it enough for it to reach reserve and get to enjoy this car as much as Jacob did

[David Borden]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Since you seem to have a good grasp on all things legal and wise regarding selling cars please tell me what you think would be the best way to handle my situation...

... I suggested BAT to increase the chances of finding that special buyer. He and Jacob’s brother discussed and agreed and asked if I could help them do that? I offered to do it free of charge as I felt it is the least I could do for Jacob. What would you do?

Not Brisboats, but a CA dealer. I would just walk them through the process of posting on BAT. You can do all the leg work for them, re communicating with BAT, figuring out the reserve, etc. Once its all arranged, pass it over to your friend's brother. If you are simply helping them with the process and not actually buying the car, I do not believe you are doing anything illegal.

When the car sells, just walk them through the DMV stuff as well.. If you would like some assistance re keeping your seller safe in making sure they have their paperwork in order, an AS-IS agreement, etc, let me know and I would be happy to assist any way I can(not asking for anything). Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss.

[brisboats]

If you friend's brother is the executor of the estate do what David says act as his advisor/ pro bono assistant. Have him create a user ID on Bat and be the seller of the car for the estate. You can chime in and even answer questions for him in the comments section. I am sorry to hear about your friend and think it is great you want to help and be involved. You just need to protect yourself. At the moment you have yourself, your deceased friend's brother and the 993 buddy involved. So as with any transaction the odds of difficulty increases with the number of parties involved even when all seemed amicable from the beginning. The larger the $$$ value of the transaction coupled with emotional sentimental attachment are denominators for more problems.
You asked what would I do. I'll can tell you that I would not sell the car with my user ID. Because Jacob was a friend I would help and offer assistance like you are pro bono. Every State has laws regarding the sale of motor vehicles and laws regarding trusts and states. I would do some research with your State DMV and registrar of wills. The depth of that research would be determined by if $$$ was coming into my hands or office accounts in anyway be it escrow, commission, tip, anything.
B

[pmax]

Nothing to add to the excellent advice given so far, but that's one nice looking "brilliant silver(?)" 993. How many miles is on it ?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by pmax

Nothing to add to the excellent advice given so far, but that's one nice looking "brilliant silver(?)" 993. How many miles is on it ?

You can't afford that... Sorry, couldn't resist. I can't either.