Backdate Trend...Will it Last?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

. . . If he had done an NA 3.2 with ITBs on the original case and made the same 300hp nobody would bat an eye at it. You turbo guys would still be saying not enough power, but it's wouldn't be such a bizarre choice.

. . .

That's because we are a wise bunch that knows what puts the sport in sports car (poooowwwaaahhhhhhh!!!). All the other variables are just foofoo wanabe stuff compared to the poowwaaahhhh! Yer welcome!

[mooty]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Sometimes a car is built too much to the customer's tastes. That Carrera requires someone who wants a bit of a sleeper. And it's got some weird design mix n match going on. Early gauges and handles and trim etc. No rocker trim, but it's a G body with a turbo in it. But it hasn't been properly flared out. While Accumoto's build quality is there the composition of the design elements is a hot mess. That car is going to take forever to sell, even at half price.

I have seen a lot of "messed" builds. things don't match period, this or that....
perhaps the shops needed to survive and just had to obey the customers...
I cringe when I see them...

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

That's because we are a wise bunch that knows what puts the sport in sports car (poooowwwaaahhhhhhh!!!). All the other variables are just foofoo wanabe stuff compared to the poowwaaahhhh! Yer welcome!

You really think you’re gonna convince a caveman that your gas grill is better than my fire pit?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by mooty

I have seen a lot of "messed" builds. things don't match period, this or that....
perhaps the shops needed to survive and just had to obey the customers...
I cringe when I see them...

In hot rods the “customer is always right” still prevails. Hell, I’ve sold some stupid shyte to people over the years because they insisted. Once watched a customer run Daytona with 1.5mph top speed too low. He didn’t listen. He lost badly.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You really think you’re gonna convince a caveman that your gas grill is better than my fire pit?

Not a chance! I know that cavemen are set in their ways (even opting to communicate primarily by grunts and farts!). Hell, there's even a contingent of turbo caveman that will argue that turbo lag is a "fun and period correct" quality of these cars that shouldn't be tuned out. Buncha knuckle walkers right there, for sure!

[Rawknees'Turbo]

And speaking of "tuned", I just serviced my meat locker a/c system, due to a slow leak that I haven't made time to fix - 28.4 degree vent temps (evaporator fan on max and engine/compressor at idle speed) in 98 ambient. Fookin bone chilling in there! I sent Deez a pic of the thermometer and he called me a, "show off"! Ha ha!

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Not a chance! I know that cavemen are set in their ways (even opting to communicate primarily by grunts and farts!). Hell, there's even a contingent of turbo caveman that will argue that turbo lag is a "fun and period correct" quality of these cars that shouldn't be tuned out. Buncha knuckle walkers right there, for sure!

You mean like JMS and his 4spd love because it lets him stay in boost longer, even if he’s going slower?

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You mean like JMS and his 4spd love because it lets him stay in boost longer, even if he’s going slower?

I don’t follow. How does less shifting equal going slower?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You mean like JMS and his 4spd love because it lets him stay in boost longer, even if he’s going slower?

I haven't seen a post from JMS weighing in on lag.

Each to their own, but it makes me chuckle to see people's rationalizations for why they think lag is a good thing (even though it means they are actually accelerating a lot more slowly than a like 930 with a non-laggy turbocharger and appropriate fueling adjustments).

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

I don’t follow. How does less shifting equal going slower?

Better gearing gives you a mechanical advantage. It’s more power to the ground at any given speed. That equates to faster acceleration to the goal speed. Also, borg Warner synchro shift about twice as fast as Porsche’s split ring ones(.2 seconds vs almost .5). Plus there’s only more shifts if you go over 115mph. The RPM drop 1-2 is near identical between the two boxes if shifted at redline. Your butt dyno is fooling you because you can run your 4spd to 90 on 1 shift.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

All the boxes suck compared to that sequential thing you are building (***forum butt pinch***). When that is complete, I want to borrow it for a couple weeks so I can reverse engineer the internals and shift mechanism and then make one for my Mighty Meatlocker Turbo, ya' bisch!

Funny about butt dynos - some people say that the original 3LDZ turbocharger "feels faster", since it does essentially nothing until about 4K RPM and then hits like a sledgehammer (then runs out of blow at about 6K RPM). With an aftermarket, non-laggy unit, some of the sledgehammer effect is lost, but in reality you are scooting down the road at a much quicker pace when boost onset is linear and begins at about 2.5K RPM (still with a massive rush, however - it's not like a big power NA car even with almost no lag). One of the proofs of this is that with an aftermarket unit like I described, you have to add fuel during boost (lower the full throttle enrichment control pressure) or the mixture goes lean since so much more air is blowing.

[Matt Monson]

I can’t post them, but just within the last hour I got emailed the cad files for the 915 sequential...

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[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Your butt dyno is fooling you because you can run your 4spd to 90 on 1 shift.

My butt is so stupid.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I can’t post them, but just within the last hour I got emailed the cad files for the 915 sequential...

Forum c0ck tease

Wow that sounds super intriguing

[1979-930]

Did a backdating thread just turn into another Turbo discussion?

Well to add to that Marc’s Leaf Green backdate is looking sweet with the new roof rack and yellow lenses.

Backdating will live on. And this car was built on the cheap. I think it would command a premium, if sold, for the color, fit, finish and paint.




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[Rawknees'Turbo]

^^^

Pretty sharp, for a severely anorexic 911 with geezer paint color and super geezer roof rack!

Yo' Marc, are those yellow lenses legal where you live? Here in the DFW area I would get fuuked with by the local police very time I left the driveway.

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

Pretty sharp, for a severely anorexic 911 with geezer paint color and super geezer roof rack!

Yo' Marc, are those yellow lenses legal where you live? Here in the DFW area I would get fuuked with by the local police very time I left the driveway.

Seriously the lenses would get you in trouble in Texass???.... but having shotgun in your pick up truck is ok?...wtf..lol

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

^^^

Pretty sharp, for a severely anorexic 911 with geezer paint color and super geezer roof rack!

Yo' Marc, are those yellow lenses legal where you live? Here in the DFW area I would get fuuked with by the local police very time I left the driveway.

The lenses are not legal.
But I have them and a few other cars in the area do too. I think the CA car culture gives you a free pass on most things that are not legal. The law enforcement officers have bigger issues.
I've been let off with a warning more than once after a first gear turbo blast across an intersection. But then again only a modded 930 can hit full boost across an intersection.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

The lenses are not legal.
But I have them and a few other cars in the area do too. I think the CA car culture gives you a free pass on most things that are not legal. The law enforcement officers have bigger issues.
I've been let off with a warning more than once after a first gear turbo blast across an intersection. But then again only a modded 930 can hit full boost across an intersection.

Maybe out where you live. In the Bay Area and SoCal they love giving tickets for no front plates and exhaust violations.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

The lenses are not legal.
But I have them and a few other cars in the area do too. I think the CA car culture gives you a free pass on most things that are not legal. The law enforcement officers have bigger issues.
I've been let off with a warning more than once after a first gear turbo blast across an intersection. But then again only a modded 930 can hit full boost across an intersection.

Knock on wood as I have the French lenses on my Talbot Yellow car but they typically harass and ticket for colors that resemble emergency vehicles = red and blue. I think there’s a law related to not being allowed to have red or blue lights not sure about the rest