993s values declining even further?

[pmax]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

... looks wise the 964 is the last air-cooled 911 in my book.

Not if you look at the underside ... that tunnel and ginormous rear arm broke the 25 year lineage.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by pmax

Not if you look at the underside ... that tunnel and ginormous rear arm broke the 25 year lineage.

I don't think either of those define or disqualify the essence of a 911

[pmax]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I don't think either of those define or disqualify the essence of a 911

That's a subjective question.

But looking from that point of view, even a casual observer will say it's not the same as the classic 911.

[jwasbury]

Originally Posted by pmax

That's a subjective question.

But looking from that point of view, even a casual observer will say it's not the same as the classic 911.

964 is trailing arm rear suspension, like every 911 before it. 993 is multi-link which is a different animal.

[Matt Monson]

The 964 maintained the classic fascia and lines. The 993wasn't just a facelift. It substantialy changed the lines and the headlights.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I totally agree. The 993 might be the last air-cooled and have the best technology but looks wise the 964 is the last air-cooled 911 in my book.

This 993 looks aircooled to me, and also looks like it would stomp the gizzards out of most/all 964s!

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

This 993 looks aircooled to me, and also looks like it would stomp the gizzards out of most/all 964s!

Yeah that’s undoubtably bad ass. I never said I don’t like 993s

[pmax]

Originally Posted by jwasbury

964 is trailing arm rear suspension, like every 911 before it. 993 is multi-link which is a different animal.

Agree the 993 is even more of a change there.

But I say adding a tunnel lengthwise and removing a tube crosswise on the chassis counts as major.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

This 993 looks aircooled to me, and also looks like it would stomp the gizzards out of most/all 964s!

One of the top 5 best looking 911s of all time.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Totally agree, and in fact, I consider it one of the best looking cars of all time, regardless of make (best looking, as in most badassery in appearance). It literally looks like a rolling sign that reads, "Yes, I haul MUCH ass!".

[Matt Monson]

I struggle to think of a single road going vehicle I would rather own.

[Alan A]

I must be in the minority then. I think it looks like a gemballa molested an rwb in a country where abortion isn’t legal, and this was the result.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Alan A

I must be in the minority then. I think it looks like a gemballa molested an rwb in a country where abortion isn’t legal, and this was the result.

You sir, are in need of bionic glasses, and an accompanying swift kick in both the buttocks and testicles!!!

[Tonger]

Originally Posted by Alan A

I must be in the minority then. I think it looks like a gemballa molested an rwb in a country where abortion isn’t legal, and this was the result.

There’s more than a little similarity between the two.

[Vaive]

Originally Posted by Alan A

I must be in the minority then. I think it looks like a gemballa molested an rwb in a country where abortion isn’t legal, and this was the result.

You have a way with words, good sir. I agree. Very new money.

[dwelle]

one is trying, the other is doing...

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Alan A

I must be in the minority then. I think it looks like a gemballa molested ...

Did someone mention gumbella ?

[pingpong]

Interesting, i own both and many of both before. For me the 993 is superior as for all later models. Yes agree for the looks its personal but i do like the looks of 993 a lot. For driving pleasure the 993 is a better car overall. Being the last aircooled car should say it all, a treasure. And for the Singer look, most / at least 90 % used very tired 964’s to begin with. Porsche could not sell the 964 and went almost under, i bought a new 964 Speedster for $ 53 k. Trading a 1989 Speedster for even money yes a big misstake being a much better looking car for sure. I like 964’s a lot as i do like every aircooled 911 they just getting better over time. Amen.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by pingpong

Interesting, i own both and many of both before. For me the 993 is superior as for all later models. Yes agree for the looks its personal but i do like the looks of 993 a lot. For driving pleasure the 993 is a better car overall. Being the last aircooled car should say it all, a treasure. And for the Singer look, most / at least 90 % used very tired 964’s to begin with. Porsche could not sell the 964 and went almost under, i bought a new 964 Speedster for $ 53 k. Trading a 1989 Speedster for even money yes a big misstake being a much better looking car for sure. I like 964’s a lot as i do like every aircooled 911 they just getting better over time. Amen.

Just because you "like" them better does not make them better, its all subjective. Porsche almost went under because of the global recession and their outdated inefficient manufacturing techniques.

[Cobalt]

I see the 993 as the keystone car. A bit of the air-cooled left in it and a lot of where the water cooled was heading. Driving a 993 reminds me a lot of driving my 928GTS. More a GT car than the earlier sports car. If i want that feel I drive the GTS it is a unique experience and if I wanted a GT feel IMO a superior one.

Granted there are always special models like the 993GT2 the 993RS the 964 3.6RS and the 964 3.8RS which transcend the rest of the standard road cars. For me my all time favorite 911's looks wise are the old 70's RSR's although the 964 3.8RS/RSR is a close second and the 993GT2 is nearly a tie.

All amazing cars and undeniably made a statement. I regret not buying a friends factory everything 993GT2 clone. It was midnight blue and used every factory part including the magnesium centered speedlines. A gorgeous car no doubt. But now we are talking a very different experience than a 964 or 993 N/A car.

My 964's are far from stock and for me offer a more exhilarating less GT feel than some of the equally modified 993's I have driven. Just as looks are subjective so is the feel behind the wheel. The 993 just has way too much complication for me. The SAI system OBDII and overly complicated and annoying alarm systems take away from what these cars IMO should be.

I find it interesting since most of the list of likes the average 993 owner lists is usually what turns me off about them.

There is no denying the 993 has one of the best rears of any of these cars it is the front and sides that looses it for me. Although my stomach turns every time I see a Singer. I have few friends that have them on order and one is receiving a targa soon and I hear possibly the first cab. It is bad enough the chop up perfectly good 964's to make them but the lines just don't do for me what a true RSR, 964 3.8RSR or 993 GT2 do when I look at them.

At the end of the day demand is high but numbers dictate and the 964 Coupe is on the verge of extinction so i suspect the few remaining pristine examples will be worth gold. I always liked these and started buying them in the early 2000's I wish I had the means to buy the turbo S and other rare versions when they were cheap. Or saved some of the more needy examples when they were hard to give away.