he said duty! :D


could be the time of year. the holidays and winter weather ain't for buying or driving... Chauncey Gardner once suggested that spring is when we can expect the growth to occur.

agree with the photo marketing. you need to find an abandoned manufacturing building as a set. is there a rust belt in Canada?

If it doesn't have the original motor (as the ad seems to read)
then it needs just a little bit of added emotion...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573265157.jpg

https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-con...24-620x413.jpg

I think it is also worth pointing out that Canadian cars spend much of their life indoors.

Off the road for most of the year waiting for the snow to clear. Thats why many Canadian collectable cars are in better shape to begin with. Thats not intuitive to most buyers in teh US.

Also, (and Ive thought about this a lot) taking the mystery out of importing or providing a broker bonus or something may make an impulse buyer pull the trigger. Otherwise its just one more reason to hesitate.

I agree with some of the others on the Canada discount.
Canadian cars take a hit on value, even when they were US cars originally.
It is stressful enough buying a car sight unseen on BaT without having to worry about importing a car from another country, no matter how easy it is.
Fubawu's car would have brought a lot more if he would have brought it back to the States prior to to listing it.

No I’m actually completely serious.
You built a hot rod and left a lawnmower engine in it.
Then complain that a car with a 3.3 fetched more.
Your complaint, your comparable.
My idea of a hot rod clearly differs from yours.
GLWS.

I was giving you a chance to correct your ignorance but your not smart enough to take it.

I think you proved what effects sales.. buyers want displacement.

You are right. I’m not.
I know nothing about the short stroke engines other than unless it’s a bone stock preservation car I’d rather have a 2.8. So, apparently would the guy that paid more for a car with one in it.
As I said, GLWS.

Importing from Canada is daunting to some, but agree it is easy.
The pictures were depressing in front of the shipping container.
Think about using a camera filter to soften the pics... 911R on BAT does this well.
Wheels are missing center caps ... what else is missing?

That said, the biggest issue for me was the driving video which made the car look extremely unstable. If the camera was on a fixed stabilization gimbal, akin to those that come on drones, it would help remove the shake.

It looks a like a nicely built car. Throw a 300hp custom built 964 3.6L in it and then relist it. I think you'll find the answer you're looking for.

I love the interior

Reminds of of this old thread
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/849370-anyone-else-like-deleted-center-console-look.html

https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-con...917_173641.jpg

I do not agree with this logic.... size of the motor has nothing to do with entertainment value or resale value..... actually the most valuable Porsche's have the smallest motors...... 67Rs that are 2.0L sell for as much as $5,000,000. and are a full on hoot to drive a 10/10ths.

It’s the location 100%, look at other completed cars located Canada, and by other I mean other makes. A lot of them don’t sell.

-Jason

This is great feed back, in regards to pictures . It's not a container it's my shop wall. I used it to minimize back ground distractions. I want to see car details and thought less would be better. Point taken thanks for the feed back it's very helpful.

Lastly as for pulling the engine it's a bit cost intensive to build another $25k engine to possibly make 30k

It's not the engine. A 2.5 marketed as an "ST" spec build gets plenty of panties in a bunch. I was gonna build one until this supertec 2.8 fell in my lap.

not to rub salt in the wound but you were foolish not to remove the reserve. your car will never sell for more the second time around if you choose to relist on BAT or elsewhere. psychology of the buyers will keep the price down.

I think these two comments are worth considering.

One of the beefs Ive got with the new crowd in the 911 world is that many have been influenced by what sells in the muscle car world, and that has transferred over to this market, which to me is the opposite of what Porsche giant killers were about to begin with.


It used to be that a magnesium case engine and a mag case early 915 transmission where the hot setup! A 911T engine had steel cylinders and cooling fins while an S had alloy jugs. This was one of the things that made an S special. more power and lighter weight. It was all part of the Porsche theme dating back to the 550 spyder, and that why Porsches were special. They did more with less.

Even the factory move to A turbo was more with less. Rather than add cubes, add boost.
That baby turbo 2.0 was the shape of things to come power wise.

The least weight in the back end with the most power to weight ratio was where it was at, but things changed.

For the track rat builder, the 7R case was the upgrade to have to build a strong motor with more power if you were pushing 2.7 or 2.8 displacement, . Still light but stronger casting.
Before that a 2.5 if you started with a 2.0 or 2.4

But 2.7 started to get a bad rap because of the stock 2.7 street car that baked its engine unless the exhaust was changed. A 2.7 was a VERY good engine but people heard from someone who heard for someone that they weren't

Then the evolution started when you could buy a nice 3.0 from a rotted SC, and, although it was a compromise, it gave good power without adding too much weight, at a much more favorable price than rebuilding a worn out 2.x engine.

Fast forward and a big heavy (comparatively) lump of a 3.6 ends up in an early car with even more additional weight up high in the induction/fuel system

So, the belief seems to be the every hotrod now needs a 3.6!
So, you get comments by people like Alan A that are completely accurate in their assessment of what people expect.
But you take offense to it because you know the value of what you really have, the value that the market does not recognize unless you spell out to them.
But you have to spell it out in your marketing, not in traditional muscle car ways
You need to re-educate the big engine buyer in a positive way.
tell them what they are looking at (not your build, but what that build evokes.)
Appeal to their emotions Paint the picture in for them.

Matt is on to something.

Just like when I was finding the direction for my build and then discovered that my car was a 73 (and I thought RSRs were 1972 but were actually 73), I had to build mine with as much guidance form the factory 73 as I could.

So how does this relate to the car discussed in this thread?

Yours is a giant killer.
In the right hands, it will give a 3.6 a run for it s money and then some.
its bragging rights for a good driver.
Its the underdog in the david and goliath story
a story thats been told again and again on the racetracks rallies and hillclimbs of the world.

I'd start with which model originally had the rare 2.5.
To Matts point, market the car as a 2.5. Everything evolves around that fantastic 2.5. The 2.5 engine that dominated the race tracks in period. This car is a tribute to that period. It needs a few period influences, even if they are only words in an ad.

Its not a mongrel. Its a purebred giant killer. Market it as such.

Your car is not just some underpowered mongrel bitsa Porsche
Your car is a very special tribute!
...but you haven't let people know that properly yet!

Talk about Rs
Talk about Ss
Talk about STs

Cases in point: (I don't know why the videos are not embedding properly but worth a look)

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More than a mere race car, it was one of the camera cars for the movie The Speed Merchants. Lost for years, it was tracked down, saved from the junkyard, and restored. Christophorus presents the rich history of a 911 ST 2.5.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/christophorus/issue-383/porsche-911-st-2-5-the-speed-merchants-targa-florio-michael-keyser-juergen-barth-14285.html



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This is just a screenshot of one of the videos above that didn't embed for some reason

I included it not because of the graphics, but perhaps despite them.

I've also included a pic of my measly black 3.0
I know, my black car is just a lonely 3.0, but the factory RSR had a built to the nuts 2.8
I started with a stronger case for longer fuse (but its a SPECIAL case)
An un numbered factory carrera replacement case, twin plugged just like the factory race car. Who knows where my carrera 3.0 case originally came from?

See its not a lowly 3.0. its a race car for the street, faithful to the factory giant killers of 1973, just like yours is faithful the the earlier giant killers.
Described properly, how much would my lowly 3.0 lawnmower powered car sell for?
I'll bet there is that one guy who is just that little bit crazier than me who has to have it.
But Im not selling...yours is for sale however, and it is every bit equally as special to the right buyer once they know what they are looking at
(P.S. Mine only has decals so that the purists know what they are looking at so that they will stay away and not get offended if they were to see the skewed tach sitting with redline at the top) Your needs a few hints of special in some subtle way, and not even necessarily a decal. The missing wheel caps should be a hint of something special, and not as a flaw.
The purists aren't the buyers of your car. Maybe with the missing caps you need the longer race derived wheel studs that let you know the nuts are not backing off and there is still some thread left. Then people will either hate it (not your buyer) or get it (teh guys who dont care about centre caps)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573322925.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573322985.jpg


AND as I write this I realize that your car is too nice. Its stuck in no-mans land.
Not factory original for the purists, and not obvious enough for the Group R guys.

This one is a nice balance


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573323103.jpg

https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-con...24-620x413.jpg

Location. Car would of probably hit reserve if it was a CA car.

Thanks Wayner..
I'm a huge fan of the 2.5. in this 72 street car I run a long stroke on a 70.4 compared to a SS 66mm in my 911S S/T race car. I built this car as a street version of my race car. Most of the suspension is a direct copy. Minus softer TB's

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573326678.jpg

Finally .... a pic of the car.

Need more decals.

LOL I think I've already said that.