I'm not of the new crowd in the 911 world, and have no background in American muscle cars whatsoever, but I've always found large displacement, boosted engines far more appealing than high revving, n/a buzz boxes (and I certainly don't care at all about paying homage to the original Porsche giant killer concept); brute force acceleration is what does it for me - not light weight dependant, momentum stuff. I guess I'm just extra special like that!!! :D

I would offer one other observation to the OP that won’t be helping the sales price. Since I actually went and looked at the pictures.

Your car - in common with the brown one you didn’t sell on pcarmarket - suffers from ugly overspray issues. This one is the wiring in the frunk. The other in the engine bay.

If you want a premium price, use more masking tape next time. I see that and wonder what other corners were cut.

Just a suggestion. GLWS.

I think it also depends on where you get to play

I also found that after adding the big wheels to my car I needed bigger power just to approach the fun level of the old setup

Not because of traction as much as just the feeling of mass that came with the bigger wheels.

Until I added more power upgrades were a step backwards in fun factor

Having said that a big boosted car is an entirely different kind of fun :-)

The chatter over there is a joke. I just read thru the listing's discussion thread and it's no exception.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

I'd have to say 4 main things as mentioned previously
- Photos were not eye catching
- Not enough "Bling" (see below)
- Time of Year
- Import worries

I sold a 911 Tribute car last year on BaT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-porsche-911sc-19/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&ut m_campaign=bat_listing_started_user
that we thought was going to fetch at least $80K and according to input I compiled post sale, it simply did not have enough of an emotional hook. A guy from RM Auctions found me at an event a month later and even said "You should have put a Carrera sticker on the sides and it would have gotten $10k more" . Others said "It didn't have Carbs". As an engineer I figured people would do the math and add their own stickers or throw away a perfectly tuned CIS FI system and put hard-to-cold-start Carbs on it but it turns out people don't always make those connections or think that way. They want to show up at C&C ready to go I guess.
As someone pointed out - this is an emotion thing (as an engineer - hard for me to grasp) and it's what drives the frenzy craze in bidding and lust for a car.
Lastly, I think EVERYTHING has to be near perfect. faults must be to an absolute minimum. For example the overspray issues mentioned opens pandora's box.

On the import thing - I brought a 911 in from Canada 2 years ago and it was not too tough since I had all the paperwork prepared in advance but it still was not without worry and extra effort.
Maybe give it breather and try in the spring. Add some graphics, emphasize the ST / 2.5L focus.

But bro...VISCERAL!!! :)

I'm with you there. Sports car = go fast, quickly. I hate the nonsense about having fun going fast in a slow car, all that means is you're driving a slow car.

But there is something to be said for the old air cooled ones. Yeah a modern Camry will destroy it off the line, but there is something fun about them. Is it $50K of fun? Hell no. Is it $25K of fun? Yeah.

Much like Saab 900s. Pretty slow by today' standards, but something about them. Those can be had for $5k.

Good point, Wayner - having a momentum engined car is not all that choice in the land of crowded highways (mostly Bubba trucks and land barge SUVs - TexASS style motoring), where I live. Here it is nice, and fun, to have a lot of foot boom available to squid through traffic like a complete douchebag - ha ha!

And for me, having a lot of power is plenty satisfying, even when I'm not using it; to build it and know it is available is fun to me. I would much rather be in a fast car driving slowly around here than in a slow car trying to drive quickly (which is only quick when compared to other Fred Flintstone mobiles! :)).

The Canada thing is a really big deal for people in the states. People are terrified of importing a car, it can be easy but there are enough horror stories to get people wary of it. People are also afraid of having legal recourse, Canada is a foreign country to if someone in Canada rips you off it would that much harder to get legal on them. Not saying your car wasn't legit, but these are things that might have kept 25% of the bidders away.

Also the yellow is a taste specific color, you either like it or you don't, as opposed to something like white where you might not love it, but you don't hate it.

To me it looks like a hell of a car. My advice would to consign it to a US dealer or put it in one of the big auctions, also in the US.

---Adam

I agree about the momentum thing vs power but here’s the thing

While 130hp in a 2500lb car isn’t much fun
200hp in a 2000lb car is
That’s equal to 250hp in a 2500lb car
Or 300hp in a 3000lb car

A well built 2.5 in an early car has a lot of lightness going for it
And the power can use all of its tire

Point and squirt especially in 2nd 3rd gear corners is a blast

Not big turbo freeway blast but if your playing in the twisties it’s lots of fun

If I was confined to bigger straighter roads it would be different for sure especially if you’ve got big tires to spin up to speed

My RSR 17x9s and 11s weigh literally twice as much as a narrow body 15x6, and you definitely feel that in acceleration so a car like the one discussed here is not simply a momentum car. It’s a lot of fun with enough power to weight to really play

But I get the appeal of a turbo, power aside the driving experience is very different

You don't have BAT shill bidders helping you. BAT known for this... :(

Probably more like 95%.
Think of why people are buying at an internet auction site in the first place.
They are gladly paying a premium for convenience, like like Amazon Prime.
They do not have the time to become international import lawyers.

importing a car from Canada? a car that was previously a USA car? - as simple as it gets. the buyer of my 964 crossed the border/imported, legally, within 30 minutes. minimal paperwork required - as in almost nothing - some really old USA registration paperwork.

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I have two cars with 2.8 twin plugs but I'd LOVE to have a 2.5 MFI powered longhood.

A quick 5 minutes using the Googles is all it takes to know how to import a car that old. About as easy as it gets.
But people's default setting is laziness.

First nice car.

Pictures sell.

Pay someone to take photos of the car. It will really make it pop and build emotion with buyers. Photos are dark and bland. Yes the car is awesome but the photos are not exciting. Excitement brings the money.

Instagram is filled with people that do this.

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about with this old slow cars thing. My 76 912E with bone stock 78 cis 3.0 (~180 hp, ~2400lbs) will take plenty of cars off the line- what keeps it from being a drag racer is the 915 transmission 1-2 shift, not the motor. With a lighter motor/trans, lighter body, and the same or more power from a built 2.5-2.8 it would be genuinely quick.

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There's no turning a high HP guy into a lightweight hot rod guy.
That's like trying to get Ronnie to go after skinny women instead of fat bottomed girls.
"Go big or go home", right Sir Rawkness?

I don't think it's laziness.
It's aversion to the unknown.

And it opens the possibility for international scams.
And more paperwork, and horror stories of getting stuck in customs
And higher delivery fees since Canada may be far from you.

For internet culture, swipe left and wait for another one.

...not to mention not being able to jump start it if the battery dies...

Ha ha - I pretty much like all sizes of wimminz - juicy, slapp worthy buttz and skinny ones, too (not hogs, though! :eek:), butt you are right about the unturnability of a high HP guy - the acceleration rush is just so addictive for some, and no amount of lightness in a machine with a pygmy engine is going to replicate the thrust of 300+, boosted horsepower and torque, not even close, NastyNick!

Most of my past cars have actually been light weight, low HP machines, including two 914s, and while a little amusing when I was in my late teens and early twenties, I thought them lacking in stones then, and now would not even consider wanting one (Adam sez a 914 is the most fun one can have behind the wheel, but I do not share his ASSessment at all).

Now, as I am quickly approaching geezer status, any 911 (or any type of sports car, for that matter) with under 300hp would have me attempting to stifle yawns - if the engine doesn't make me go, "ooooohhhh shiiiittttt", at least a little bit, whenever I open the throttle, then that bisch needs improvement! :)