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911heaven 06-12-2022 06:31 AM

Wondering about prices on 73Ts
 
I just sold my 69 Z28 RS Camaro, and my 69E 911 Sportomatic looks to be out the door shortly, so last night called a friend and offered him 11k just over for a 73T. He said he'll think about it. Am I getting lonely for another 911? The only car I've got left to go is the BTR RUF..

If I get it for that money I'll buy it, work on it and get it going. I know more about the 69- 73 E, S or RS, but never paid attention to the T too much though I had one 70T targa that my father wrecked in my absense. I got confirmation this car has carburators. I spent a brief 10 minutes with it looking it over almost 2 years ago, even posted pics here somewhere but don't remember where. I think it has a sunroof (but don't remember) and no rust in the body (well remembered). Engine original but needs some TLC on the body etc. mostly some paint. Mechanically it's been sitting for years under cover inside and dry.

My question is more about 73T 911s. I know 73 is a good year. Wish it were an E or S, but could I go wrong if he takes my offer? Thanks for any 73T insights!

bernie

NYNick 06-12-2022 07:31 AM

Surely you jest? $11K for a longhood? You could easily quadruple that price and be ahead of the game.
A T is simply the bottom of the model range for that year. If there truly is no rust and the engine is original, you'll hit a home run. Getting it out of Japan is another matter but my God Bernie, people would kill for that kind of deal in the states.

911heaven 06-12-2022 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NYNick (Post 11715572)
Surely you jest? $11K for a longhood? You could easily quadruple that price and be ahead of the game.
A T is simply the bottom of the model range for that year. If there truly is no rust and the engine is original, you'll hit a home run. Getting it out of Japan is another matter but my God Bernie, people would kill for that kind of deal in the states.

Thank you Nick for the feedback! Well. I'll keep my fingers crossed, and he may counter offer. Last night he said on the phone he'd think it over in an honest voice. There's another SC targa there so he asked are you wanting both for that price? I said no, just the 73, but both would be fine I said as a joke. It may take a little time, we'll see how it goes. Mountain born and raised man not far from my village, now in the city. I met him through his old mother who still lives there in the countryside. There's a 73 S in her property, though no original motor, original tranny yes but with rust up front of gas tank.

andoni510 06-12-2022 07:18 PM

I would assume you meant a Targa Top instead of the Sunroof you mentioned since it is not a Coupe but a Targa model. On another note, I have complete MFI system for a 2.4T. Everything you will ever need to take it back to original spec if it is a U.S. model and originally equipped with MFI. As a matter of fact, I had tested it today on our bench for a thorough inspection, testing and flow test at different RPM’s. Good luck on your endeavors to hopefully acquire the 73T.

911heaven 06-13-2022 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by andoni510 (Post 11716057)
I would assume you meant a Targa Top instead of the Sunroof you mentioned since it is not a Coupe but a Targa model. On another note, I have complete MFI system for a 2.4T. Everything you will ever need to take it back to original spec if it is a U.S. model and originally equipped with MFI. As a matter of fact, I had tested it today on our bench for a thorough inspection, testing and flow test at different RPM’s. Good luck on your endeavors to hopefully acquire the 73T.

Hey andoni510! Than you for that idea! If I do end up getting it, that may be interesting, However, I will take inventory and see just to stay original. Still lots of unknowns, as I said only spent 10 minutes with it on a super hot summer day almost 2 years ago. It is a coupe, sunroof or not. The SC targa is another car in the same, Japanese style barn if you will. Rice farmers all around as far as the eye can see!

mattC2993 06-13-2022 08:39 AM

I hope none of my 'friends' offer me $0.20 on the dollar for anything I own.

Matt Monson 06-13-2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mattC2993 (Post 11716356)
I hope none of my 'friends' offer my $0.20 on the dollar for anything I own.

Earning some of that VW karma.

911heaven 06-15-2022 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11716386)
Earning some of that VW karma.

It isn't karma Matt, it's culture 101. Culture is learned. Generally someone wants to sell, they have a price. Buyer buys or negotiates. There are guys here for years and years who say how much do you want to pay if interest is expressed. If not in their selling price range they say you don't meet the price! That's it, nothing more. It's almost like a personal auction. Not so common nowadays with the internet, but old habits die hard.


When he showed me these cars, it was summer after the pandemic began. He was hurting and trying to sell me something. I told him I don't have a dime, trying to save 1.3 mil JPY to rebuild my BTR motor. We haven't spoken since until last week. This culture is based on informal relationships. It's not what you know, it's who you know! That is opposite to your culture on more formal relationships. Welcome to culture 101 M2!

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 05:23 AM

There’s a difference between flippers and friends. Friends don’t rip off each other. That car is worth 2-3 times your “good faith” offer.

911heaven 06-15-2022 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11717912)
There’s a difference between flippers and friends. Friends don’t rip off each other. That car is worth 2-3 times your “good faith” offer.

Says you! You don't know what your talking about. Does it matter what the car is worth? You don't know if I'm a flipper or not. You don't know what kind of relationship/friendship we have. So why be so busy at negotiating our deal, if it ever comes to that. Business is business. Don't question our friendship due to your narrow mind on culture. Moreover, don't paint me as a flipper. I don't have a history like that. I simply made an offer and that is perfectly fine on my understanding of the car and the seller.

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 06:23 AM

You don’t want commentary on your deals? don’t make threads asking for input on your deals . It’s that simple.

911heaven 06-15-2022 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11717950)
You don’t want commentary on your deals? don’t make threads asking for input on your deals . It’s that simple.

The only ever thing I said was, could I go wrong at this price? I didn't ask for your horse sh-t accusations on my own thread, ignorant of culture or relationships. We have done bus. before. I bought my best early alloy dek lid from him 6 years ago? We know each other and have history. Don't tell me how to post on PPMPF.

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 06:59 AM

Nobody cares.

911heaven 06-15-2022 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11717980)
Nobody cares.

Speak for yourself. You always do!

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 911heaven (Post 11717962)
The only ever thing I said was, could I go wrong at this price? I didn't ask for your horse sh-t accusations on my own thread, ignorant of culture or relationships. We have done bus. before. I bought my best early alloy dek lid from him 6 years ago? We know each other and have history. Don't tell me how to post on PPMPF.

This decklid?

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/937015-punch-holes-70s-original-aluminim-deck-lid-what-would-you-do.html

The original, where I told you that nobody cares. Do whatever you want Bern. It’s your life. NOBODY is telling you what to do.

911heaven 06-15-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11717989)
This decklid?

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/937015-punch-holes-70s-original-aluminim-deck-lid-what-would-you-do.html

The original, where I told you that nobody cares. Do whatever you want Bern. It’s your life. NOBODY is telling you what to do.

WRONG deck lid! I had three of those alloy lids. The one you brought up was on my 69E. I've sold the other two, including the best one. Remaining one is on the 69E, and that car is due to be sold. What the f-uck are you doing, harassing me about price ask or value on deck lid? You could use a lesson in etiquette from a moderator for all your bull sh-t. Nobody cares about prices buying a 911T 73? I won't snitch on you because one I'm not a snitch like you, two is you ain't1 worth the time to do it.

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 911heaven (Post 11718014)
WRONG deck lid! I had three of those alloy lids. The one you brought up was on my 69E. I've sold the other two, including the best one. Remaining one is on the 69E, and that car is due to be sold. What the f-uck are you doing, harassing me about price ask or value on deck lid? You could use a lesson in etiquette from a moderator for all your bull sh-t. Nobody cares about prices buying a 911T 73? I won't snitch on you because one I'm not a snitch like you, two is you ain't1 worth the time to do it.

Oh the irony… the guy who always goes on about how I think I run the place, lecturing me about how to behave. As I stated, if you don’t want feedback, don’t start threads. People will have their opinions, and express them, and they may not agree with yours. Get over it.

911heaven 06-15-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11718019)
Oh the irony… the guy who always goes on about how I think I run the place, lecturing me about how to behave. As I stated, if you don’t want feedback, don’t start threads. People will have their opinions, and express them, and they may not agree with yours. Get over it.

Leave it to the forum to express their opinions! Don't think of yourself so highly that you speak for everyone. If indeed you do, I'm gone in a heartbeat, but I don't think that is the case. We had feedback on this thread until you just had to engage with your horse sh-t. Now where are we? Life is short Matt. Live your life and try to make it count! Stop being bully would be a start I would think...

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 08:05 AM

Bernie, I speak only for myself. I posted in agreement with another, who felt you were really low on your offer. Yes, it was snarky tongue in cheek, playing on your silly posts about vw karma. And then you lost it, again, because you have an issue with me. You can hide my posts if you find me offensive.

911heaven 06-15-2022 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11718030)
Bernie, I speak only for myself. I posted in agreement with another, who felt you were really low on your offer. Yes, it was snarky tongue in cheek, playing on your silly posts about vw karma. And then you lost it, again, because you have an issue with me. You can hide my posts if you find me offensive.

You speak only for yourself Matt?? nobody cares etc. LOL! You don't get it. You speak for yourself you say tongue and cheek, then you speak for everyone. Such a deviation on posts. It's tiring and I don't have time for such horse sh-t. Bed time for me on time zone. Talk to yourself if you want to. I got nothing left to say to your sorry arse...

Matt Monson 06-15-2022 08:37 AM

Nobody cares is an idiomatic expression in common usage. Nobody cares that you run marathons. Nobody cares that you built a 10 second car. Nobody cares. It’s like meh or whatever. You’ve been away from America too long.

mattC2993 06-15-2022 10:30 AM

Perhaps there is a logical explanation like the car looks like a porforauto candidate. If not, I'm curious how one low balls a friend in need and doesn't see any issues with it. Posting the offer on the internet and then taking offense at criticism is another head scratcher. Sometimes there is no explanation for human behavior.

911heaven 06-16-2022 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mattC2993 (Post 11718164)
Perhaps there is a logical explanation like the car looks like a porforauto candidate. If not, I'm curious how one low balls a friend in need and doesn't see any issues with it. Posting the offer on the internet and then taking offense at criticism is another head scratcher. Sometimes there is no explanation for human behavior.

Perhaps we have a duo thick skulled Matt thing going here I'll try to put it into eighth grade English to avoid the accusations and ignorance on price, negotiations, culture and friendship.

First of all for the Canuck. I am a dual national, got my citizenship 1.5 years ago automatic since DOB because my parents born and raised were Canadian when I was born in the USA. I'm a Canuck now so I won't hold it against you! :)

Since Y'all are so damn serious, can't read between any lines I'll explain a few things but not much. I need to leave room for your education on such concepts.

Dude is a foreign car restorer, got cars all over the place Porsche 911, Ferrari, a whole warehouse of 911 parts, 964 and lots of engines. No way I could pull the wool over his eyes. If he sells me the car for that money will you be pissed off? He may counter offer, but just so you don't go off post, this is still hypothetical. You can scratch your head until you go bald! Don't assume you know everything about every market or culture. Your petty flipper accusations don't add up to dry dung. We are friends and that won't change. This is just business if you hadn't noticed, and Oh, just a price thread on a project car possibility. It will take time and money to get it going. That's MY time and the PARTS cost quite a bit of MONEY. Think that through you thick sculls...

Matt Monson 06-16-2022 05:01 AM

Nobody cares.

911heaven 06-16-2022 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11718797)
Nobody cares.

Of course you don't, you just keep sh-tting on this thread. Good on you!

matt930s 06-16-2022 05:26 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1655382364.jpg

911heaven 06-16-2022 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 11718812)

Exactly! Would M2 and I ever make amends? It isn't likely. One never knows, but I may have ruffled his feathers too many times over years for that. I don't think he will ever get over that. Having said that though, if he could hold a special place in his heart for me, let go of all the bad memories and start fresh, there is still a ray of hope. Just a thought for better or worse. SmileWavy

911heaven 06-17-2022 08:34 AM

Just an otherwise ulterior question on 911T. Would delete sunroof or slick lid be higher for value than a sunroof.


The 73 RS touring model I had 20 years ago had a sunroof. #101. I have to dig for these pics I took on this 73T. I think it has one, but can't recall. I would guess value on a car wouldn't be that different, but how about desirability?

Matt Monson 06-17-2022 08:56 AM

For when you flip it?

Slicktop is an easier sale with a little more value.

911heaven 06-17-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11719958)
For when you flip it?

Slicktop is an easier sale with a little more value.

Good info Matt! Thanks for that! Just an investment idea, not a flip. If I take it on it will take me a long time to get it up to speed. I was thinking of that song, why can't we be friends, but bed time for me and going to the mountains early in the morning. Why don't you post the song?

bernie

dg567 06-17-2022 01:28 PM

I think early sunroof cars are more desirable - and when you get into G body cars the sunroof deletes become more desirable.

70SATMan 06-17-2022 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 911heaven (Post 11719938)
Just an otherwise ulterior question on 911T. Would delete sunroof or slick lid be higher for value than a sunroof.


The 73 RS touring model I had 20 years ago had a sunroof. #101. I have to dig for these pics I took on this 73T. I think it has one, but can't recall. I would guess value on a car wouldn't be that different, but how about desirability?

There was no sunroof delete for the '73.. Either Coupe or Sunroof Coupe. Sunroof Coupe being more desirable value wise because it was,,,,,an option. Fairly rare on the early cars. Don't know the exact numbers.

'Slick top' God I hate that douchey, flat bro brim term... :rolleyes: BAT Bros, LOL

911heaven 06-17-2022 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 11720278)
There was no sunroof delete for the '73.. Either Coupe or Sunroof Coupe. Sunroof Coupe being more desirable value wise because it was,,,,,an option. Fairly rare on the early cars. Don't know the exact numbers.

'Slick top' God I hate that douchey, flat bro brim term... :rolleyes: BAT Bros, LOL

Fed income! That's Aussie lingo which just means no sh-t! or Right! (just in case I threw you for a loop). I haven't been on another Porsche forum, only PPMF I'm pretty confined to. I learned, first heard both of those terms here, say from Toby and others, so I thought it was in lexicon. Thanks for clearing that up! Thank you for the cool feedback.... and it sounds right!

Matt Smith 06-17-2022 11:58 PM

This could be a really good sub-forum. It's obviously an interesting subject for anyone with an aircooled 911. It is not a place to spend enjoyable time for two reasons.

1) Matt Monson has decided this is His Place.
2) 911 Heaven argues badly with the above.

Both of you need to shut up and give this forum some breathing space. IMO.

911heaven 06-18-2022 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Smith (Post 11720438)
This could be a really good sub-forum. It's obviously an interesting subject for anyone with an aircooled 911. It is not a place to spend enjoyable time for two reasons.

1) Matt Monson has decided this is His Place.
2) 911 Heaven argues badly with the above.

Both of you need to shut up and give this forum some breathing space. IMO.

That's a great call Matt! I completely agree! Let's do it and play that song -- Why can we be friends? I will shut up and do my part. Cheers! SmileWavy

Matt Monson 06-18-2022 04:48 AM

This is hilarious. Some random who has spent the last twenty years lurking instead of participating in the forum tells Bernie to shut up, in his own thread, and Bern’s response is ,”yes boss, right away boss.”

911heaven 06-18-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11720483)
This is hilarious. Some random who has spent the last twenty years lurking instead of participating in the forum tells Bernie to shut up, in his own thread, and Bern’s response is ,”yes boss, right away boss.”

Now that is funny! Keeping up foreign relations like Mav and Goose? This community, the discourse community is international if you hadn't noticed. Take a lesson from a well rounded honest Kiwi. He speaks his mind. He is just honest by observation. I honor his opinion.

911heaven 06-19-2022 05:07 AM

This one is for my Big Daddy! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0Qda32IKM

70SATMan 06-19-2022 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 911heaven (Post 11720436)
I haven't been on another Porsche forum, only PPMF I'm pretty confined to.

Now that is sad... That's like learning all about Porsche from a 914 guy, LOL.;)

You should get out more.SmileWavy

Matt Smith 06-20-2022 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11720483)
This is hilarious. Some random who has spent the last twenty years lurking instead of participating in the forum tells Bernie to shut up, in his own thread, and Bern’s response is ,”yes boss, right away boss.”

You do you Matt. I can post whenever I choose. I see a common pattern in your replies, Sir, and occasionally I post a response. Glad that you see fit to respond to a Random.


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