Prices of 3.2 G50 Carreras

johncarlos2003 · 09:12 AM

Ok- so not everybody likes the G50 over the 915 but it does have some advantages- and so does the 915- i love sc's too! Thing is, as a somewhat touted model, the g50 3.2 was made in bunches. I think from 84-89 they made 88k or so total carreras- though not all G50 trannies- sound right? Anyway, there are not that many nice, lower mileage (under 100k carreras) examples on the streets-

with the aircooled cars now 2 genearations back and the 997 offering "looks" of the classic shape and details (i.e. hips and headlights) will this soon/eventually increase the value of the Carreras and potentially the SC models that are tight and clean?

And, with the new Panamera, Cayman, Cayenne etc.--- will these new models and, basically new company model, eventaully point collectors toward seeking out the original cars and the popular, iconic models of the eras gone by?

thoughts . . .? !!! ??

real550A · real550A's Garage

john-carlos,
Keep in mind that the G50 cars are only 87-89 models. That brings your production #'s way down.
I think they will continue to appreciate at a higher rate than the 915 Carreras and SC's. JMO

johncarlos2003 · 09:12 AM

yeah, 87-89 only- necessary point-

epbrown · 04-18-2006, 05:49 PM

Yeah, part of why they're appreciating is they're rare - the years after Black Monday were very lean for Porsche and the 911 had record low sales during the G50 years, though I don't recall the figures from the last Excellence.

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Yup, I have a client looking for one right now. Expect to see about $3K more over a 915-equipped car, in my opinion. But not too much more than that...

-Wayne

Jeff Alton · 04-19-2006, 11:13 AM

3K over a 915, but remember some of that 3K is becuase the car is newer......

Cheers

jorian · 04-21-2006, 08:34 AM

I think the world wide production numbers for the G50 are approximately 15K produced between 87 and 89.

nut11 · 04-22-2006, 01:39 PM

15 K, wow! That's not much. Lean sales years. Wonder how may of the 944s and 928s were made?

87 blk coupe

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

15K is a lot! In the early nineties, there was one year, where they only sold something like 250 cars per month all year in North America. Now that was a lean year. 15K is a healthy number...

-Wayne

jkarolyi · 04-22-2006, 10:19 PM

Porsche was in rough times in the early 90s, but not THAT bad.

1994 was the leanest model year for North America, but they sold a little more than 3,000 964-style 911s, plus a handful of 928s and 968s. Part of the reason was that it only a half model year though, because January of '94 saw production of the 993, which was sold here as a '95.

Nevertheless, these numbers are what Porsche produces now in one month!

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Actually, I you're right - I meant to say 250 a month (which is 3000/yr).

With about 250 dealerships across North America, that meant that each dealer sold one car per month on average. Pretty tough to stay in business in that climate...

-Wayne

JackMan · 04-23-2006, 03:39 AM

Let's get back to basic supply and demand regarding the 87-89 G50 Carrera. I wonder, and does anyone have a means of determining, how many are still left in running condition? How many are wrecked and totalled? How many are beyond repair? How many are fixed up and running? At what percentage rate are the 87-89 911s dying and moving into the graveyard?

Granted total production is a huge, huge determining factor in a car's value, but current supply must be significantly lower than the original production, right? Any idea how many 87-89 911s live in the USA as of today?

My quess is that any pre 89 911, G50 or not, in good driveable condition, that gets its periodic maintenance, will continue to appreciate in vlaue and occassionally you'll see spikes in the market value as interest in certain models/types peaks and wanes. Hmmm, sounds like the stock market and sector rotation. Nah, couldn't be. Fear and greed???

Fear of not having the in-cool car? Greed of not getting the cool car that your trend setting neighbor just acquired???

Just a few cents worth, oh, and mine's not for sale, at any price. I've driven all the 911 types. I drive mine 10,000 miles a year in the rain to and from work, to get groceries, pick up the kids. When something tears or rips I replace it or fix it. When I get a stone chip I look at it and curse then keep driving. I don't have a door ding yet, and god help the poor f++++ker that ding's it.

I change my own oil, adjust my valves and help my mechanic with the labor. (A learning experience like taking a baby to the pediatriacian, but I'd never do major surgery on my kid.) I don't balk at spending money on the engine or tranny. Yeah, my 1989 car has more money in it than most, but I've still spent less on it than most spend on buyin a new car. In some cases significantly less.

Get the picture?

I think there are alot of people out there that own pre 89 911s not for the potential resale but for the realization that after a hard day of work you have a 45 minute therapy session waiting for you on the drive home.

Just my opion, sorry for the rant. I just love 911s, oh and really fast VW rabbits too. Nothing like strapping on my 89 VW rollerskate to go pee on telephone polls on a Saturday morning to fetch some milk and donuts.

msk1986911 · 04-23-2006, 07:30 AM

As the owner of an 86 911 (purchased last May), I was a bit down after reading the posts on the merits of the 87-89 model year. Admittedly, my attitude was affected by the thought that I may not have made the wisest choice, in terms of re saleability and value retention. That notwithstanding, the only time to worry about either of those is when it comes time to sell, which I am not inclined to do anytime soon. In any event, a well maintained, low mileage 86 (75K miles) should hold its own, even with the old-school 915 transmission. Don't the 86s have the spring centered clutch while the 87s have the rubber center?

johncarlos2003 · 04-23-2006, 02:28 PM

dude, don't question your 86. serch car and driver's review of the 84 model year carrera which has , yes, the 915 as does yours and is the first year of your car series. it's a heck of a car and yes, it will maintain its value fine. the guys in the article i mentioned love the 84-86 carrera so much they joke about doing house chores to pay for it- one of the guys who reviews your car says he doesn't know if he should thank the editor for giving him the chance to drive the car or if he should be mad cause he may never be able to afford one- seriously, they absolutely rave about your car in the review with lots of exapmles- you're gonna want to drive you car immediately after the read--
so, drive that beast, smile, and who cares about resale? i mean, for the cars were talking about, g50 or 915, it's gonna be a while anyway- so now, lets just drive em and enjoy em. talk if fun, that's what this forum is for amongst repair shares, but driving is where the big smiles come from- not a few more g's when you re-sell- if you do.

msk1986911 · 04-23-2006, 03:32 PM

Thanks for the lift. I'd like to see a copy of article you mentioned. Do you have a copy? I could not loacte it Car & Driver's website.

johncarlos2003 · 04-24-2006, 01:23 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75241&highlight=84+carr era+test

copy and paste this into your browser.

thanks to kurt v who pulled it up for you!b enjoy and take that 86 for a whip tonight.

msk1986911 · 04-24-2006, 04:43 PM

John:

Excellent read; I think I am over any thoughts of inferiority when compared to an 87, 88 or 89.

Thanks very much.

Mike

johncarlos2003 · 04-25-2006, 08:41 AM

beautiful car! oh yeah, ill drive any 911- give me a well sorted mid-year and ill take it all day long- they are just fun cars! glad you liked the article- it is a good one- cheers.

ZOA NOM · ZOA NOM's Garage

I just don't see why anyone would want any other P-car.

Flyer88 · 05-03-2006, 04:43 PM

I bought my 87 Targa almost three years ago as a sunny day car - the car I wanted since I was 12 (I'm 40). My first remark to my wife when I brought it home was "my estate can sell this car". Since then I was convinced that I should attend a DE, it has been downhill since then. I recently sold my Lexus daily driver and happily drive my 911 every day. Yea, it's black and I removed the air conditioning so it's a little hot from time to time but who ****** cares, I get to drive a 911 every day! Been to 7 DEs and hope to see 5 more this summer - the harder you drive it the happier it is!