Value of this car?

[widebody911]

I'm thinking of selling my track car/development mule. I'm knee deep in a couple VW projects, and have neither the time to get to the track or to finish off the car. I have no idea what the value of something like this would be...

It's a 1977 911, originally a targa, which I converted and drove as a cab for a few years, and ultimately developed a hard top using this car as one of the test mule. It's in great mechanical shape, but it has cosmetic 'issues'. If you go back through some of my posts on the 911 technical and racing forums you can see the build-up. It's due for a smog, so my thinking is, if I have to smog it anyway....

Build list

• 3.6L CARB-legal engine conversion using 1991 C2 engine
• Raceware head studs and rod bolts
• Seine heat-sheets
• Setrab front cooler with innovative ducting
• Carrera cooler with thermo switch and fan
• all flexible oil lines are -16 braided steel
• -16 nipple welded to oil tank
• ER finned oil lines
• PC-680 lightweight battery
• fresh spark plugs
• rebuilt and flow-matched fuel injectors
• new O2 sensor
• B&B 1.75" 2in/2out exhaust
• bolt-on catalytic converters for smog-day

• transmission pump and cooler
• HD side plate
• HD billet intermediate bearing carrier
• Kennedy Stage II clutch
• factory short shift
• Seine gate shift
• club sport engine & trans mounts

• full cage
• Simpson window net
• Kirkey deluxe driver's seat
• Recaro SRD passenger seat
• Sparco harnesses
• BK camera mount
• halon extinguisher
• removable 930S steering wheel
• 935-style felt dash
• HOT-LAP timer

• ER bump-steer links
• spindles raised 19mm
• custom-valved Bilsteins: 235/120 front 380/145 rear
• 33mm hollow rear Sanders t-bars
• 28mm front t-bars
• ER A-arm centering kit
• TRG sway bars
• poly front bushings
• rear spring plates modified to allow up to 4 degrees negative camber
• ER poly-bronze spring plate bushings
• ER offset ball joints
• ER monoball trailing arm bushings
• ER monoball camber plates

• 9" front wheels, 11" rears, with Kumhos
• 315/35-17 rear tires, 245/45-16 fronts
• 930 brakes with Pagid Orange pads

• fiberglass 935 doors
• plastic exterior door handles
• manual 993 mirrors
• carbon fiber banana wing
• carbon-fiber reflector delete panel
• carbon fiber RS heater tube
• 911R taillights
• a full carbon-fiber tail of the exact same style is being made, and I have the original wing element for this one
• lots of work undertaken to lighten the car
• carbon fiber roof (7.5lbs)
• flush-mount lexan windows
• fiberglass hood
• fiberglass 965 front bumper, with Dzus fasteners
• fiberglass rear bumper
• carbon fiber front fenders (1 mounted, one not)

Basically it is a street-legal track car. My best time @ Thunderhill was a 2:02. It's fun to drive, but you really have to pay attention to what you're doing! This car is very light - the last time I weighed it, it was just over 1900lbs, wet.

[ZCAT3]

Hey Thom - I'll take a stab at this one as no one else has. It is essentially a track car at this point. If it were a coupe I would say somewhere in the 20K range. As a Targa it is a bit harder to value as a track car. It is probably worth more in parts. Actually with the dollar so low these days, it is definitely worth more in parts.

[widebody911]

But it's not a targa - it's a cab... I mean a hardtop

I had a discussion with a well-known Porsche fabricator about this subject some time ago. He said that he felt a targa was a better base for a track car, due to the additional stiffening. That being said, he also bought one of my fiberglass tops for his race car.

Alas, you're probably right about $(parts) > $(whole car)

[Rich76_911s]

Wow yeah that is a tough car to put a price on. No offense, but it sure isn't going to win a beauty contest, although the parts list sure will.

For all but the dedicated track guy this is a parts car. With a full cage, no interior, fiberglass doors, and no insulation it would be a lot of work to get it back to a real street car. It is a hell of a car to swap parts off of and onto a different chassis. I’ll dream about doing this tonight.

I don’t think you are getting a lot of responses because not many track cars go up for sale on the pelican forums. Wonder why? ? ? Maybe you could get better comps on the PCA classifieds? I seem to recall track cars in the 30K price range. If I were trying to sell it that is probably where I would start, and see what developed.

If I were trying to buy it I would probably start at 17K and see what happened. I’d feel like a rotten thief if I only paid 17 for it. I am a street car guy though so I would value it differently than a track orientated person.

I don’t think with a full cage targa / non-targa really matters. Plus you have that killer fiber hard top. I have heard the same opinion about using a targa as a base for a track car, from a long time racer.

If I were buying the car I would want to know a little more about the engine. Track cars get driven pretty hard. So I would like to know how many miles were on it. What year it came out of. Any spigot problems (didn’t early 3.6’s have a leak problem down there?) When was it rebuilt, why was it rebuilt, and who did it, also how many miles since the rebuild. Is the trans still the original mag cased 915? Has the chassis ever been wrecked?

If I happen to win the lottery in the next couple of days I will give you a call.

I hope all my blabbering helped at least a little bit.

Good luck,
Rich