1974 Carrera E-bay sale

[grudk]

Rather a high sale at 42.5K, I think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140231885762&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:WNA:MOTORS:1123

Abberation or trend?

[trader220]

Think it really sold at that price?

[grudk]

We'll see if it goes back on the market. Buyer is German, with decent feedback.

[trader220]

I guess it sold but I speak from expereince when I say that a lot of "sales" on eBay dont actaully happen.

[914agogo]

real Carreras have real flares, alum suspension , any car where only 1 of 528 cars in a pretty OG condition,with docs and great color to boot! are a collectors dream

another fine one didnt meet reserve at $37,500, it seems they are of higher esteem overseas.

many Germans tried to buy mine!



no abherration here just smart lovers.

[914agogo]

with the poor mans RS edging at $100K (1974 Carrera Euro version with 2.7MFI))
and the $50-65K for 1975 Euro models
so this is the $40K "homeless" version as in homeland USA version\
not too shaby considering you could snap them up for $10-13K a couple of years ago

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by trader220

I guess it sold but I speak from expereince when I say that a lot of "sales" on eBay dont actaully happen.

I tend to agree especially with this seller. Their cars always seem to sell to a premium on EBay. USA cars do not bring the money of Euro cars.


Paul @ Auto Kennel has a Euro that he wants $89,900 for.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20572
These are the valuble ones.

Here is a USA car w/ an 911/83 RS motor for $50,000. This is hardly an original car but it would probably pack a punch!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=365830

[kilodawg]

'74 US Carrera for over $40K? Insanity, stupidity are words that come to mind. Do small numbers warrant this price?.....Uh no....This car is little more than decals on a '74 911S...
I paid only a little more for my '88 M505 slant all original with only 46K miles last fall. Very similar numbers built...but a 930. Some of these buyers need to wake up and get a clue......

[914agogo]

same question, does a 10/20K engine and decals make a $100K 74 EuroCarrera RS
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:rolleyes :
Duh yeah!.........the market speaks for itself!

[914agogo]

small numbers DO mean that much
the Carrera had more to offer not to mention a $15K purchase price
options included at
no extra charge for power windows, A/C, sunroof, leather, better lighter aluminum suspension, 1 st for steel flares, steel and glass ducktail....I think buyers HAVE woken up!
get a clue a Carrera is a Carrera!
and years from now that still wont change.

[kilodawg]

The euro engine car makes sense. Completely. You are paying for the engine and the fact that it's in a numbers matching car.

However, other than the you are out of your ever lovin' mind.

The decals cost $30.....but dang I forgot about the glass duck, maybe that's worth $20K

And by the way both my '74 911's had AC so scratch that price driving feature off your list.....

[914agogo]

Now I get it!!!
in your sig YOU own(ed) a lowly 74 911....Targa
has nothing to do with collectors, right...right out of our minds you say???

btw there is even fewer real 74 Carrera Targas produced, I think 270 or something
if you had invested in one of those, you might be the one crowing

[kilodawg]

Maybe to you it's about crowing. To me it's about what makes a car collectible and while production numbers are one criteria, it's not the only criteria. To you, by your rationale, it's all about the numbers....

However, if you want crow here ya' go....I wouldn't trade any of these three for a '74 Carrera Targa regardless of what you would consider it's worth.

[mark 74 carrera]

kilodawg.

You have three beautiful cars. Why do you care what someone else paid for a 74 Carrera? I will never understand the negativity about other people's cars. Live and let live.

Let it go man.

Mark

[Macroni]

I saw the euro car. There are other serious upgrades on that car from the factory that never made it to the US car. Not trying to spew but they really were two different animals.

[kilodawg]

Mark,

Sorry if I did not make myself clear. This has nothing to do with "negativity" or caring what somebody pays for ANY car. It has to do with understanding what these cars are and why they fetch the prices that they do.

The status of the '73 Carrera is well known. The euro '74 Carrera with the same 911/83 motor can rightly lay claim to close ties with the '73 car and as such would IMHO warrant prices that escalate at a rate tied to the value of the '73 cars.

However, the '74 US Carrera is a completely different animal. It does not share the 210bhp 911/83 MFI motor of it's euro counterpart. It has the same motor as the US version 911S (175bhp if I recall correctly). In fact it is simply a slightly upgraded version of the US 911S.

Also note that a '74 911S is not valued any where near what a '73 911S is today and you can see that model designations alone don't determine values.

Now as long as prospective buyers and enthusiasts understand these things and still want to pay top dollar and beyond for a low mileage clean example that's fine by me. My concern is that newbies might not understand the differences and think they are buying and getting something that in fact they are not.

914agogos comments strike me more as based on pride in his car which again is fine but is not based on the practicality of what makes these cars collectible. Limited numbers is one thing but there is far more to it than that....

Hope that clears my position up....

[Macroni]

Stupidity is a word that has a negative aspect to it.

This is the type of discussions that this board was developed for. That red car is stunning. Mark, please post some pics of your car. You have taken it to another level and it is nice to see what can be done w/ the US model!

Luke

[914agogo]

looks like your trying to win an argument without enough info!
the market respects this car even if YOU dont.
to the point of labelling buyers insane and stupid.....

what may I ask are these great differences between a Euro and a US Carrera other than the engine???

you talk about differences but do not mention them! do you NOT know???
you dont even know the dif between 911S and the Carrera

the few Euro Carreras that are different are for race, production cars were essentially the same except the motor.(911/83)

the 911 normal and the 911S had none of the upgrades the Carrera had
and these are the SAME upgrades as the Euro version.
only the S had the same engine at 175hp nothing else, you had to order options, some not avail to the 911S.

steel flares, front and rear sway bars, bigger brakes, alum crossmember, alum trailing arms, sport seats ect... they were loaded and in small numbers.

So what in your expertise makes a car collectible????

[914agogo]

Kilo, your 73 T looks to be a CIS (73.5)car that until not too long ago was not as desirable as a 73 T MFI car... up to a $4-5K difference. ( I collect sales data also)
that has somewhat changed but not for collectors.

Collectors are still favoring the MFI car however the CIS has gained momentum ($$$) and seems to appeal to new buyers of this type of car because of its reliability and service over the MFI models but shares the rest of its good looks and attributes of the longhoods.
thats one nice ivory color( my preferred)

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by 914agogo

what may I ask are these great differences between a Euro and a US Carrera other than the engine???

the few Euro Carreras that are different are for race, production cars were essentially the same except the motor.(911/83)

So what in your expertise makes a car collectible????

You are correct the car I saw was race prepped and had upgrades related to that. I am not an expert on these cars.




Collectible "one man's trash...one man's treasure" is my rule of thumb.

Middies are great values; but of all the 911 models they tend to be the car that is viewed as being a model to avoid. Engine and rust issues characterize most of the cars of this vintage. Easy fixes but difficult to recoup the invested dollars. Again, I refer to the black US car that has been for sale September 2007. I think that car is a steal at $50,000. The motor alone is worth at least $20,000. There is a motor for sale right now. If it was a 73 w/ that motor it could be worth at least $70,000. There was a Early S registry thread earlier this week w/ a 73S with a 74 2.7 in it and "reportedly" the seller turned down $70,000. Ironically it was the same seller as the yellow carrera that started this thread.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20848