A friend of mine bought the tangerine 73. As noted, it is a very high quality build, well thought out, cleary beyond cosmetics and very responsive overall. Although I am not at liberty to discuss price.. let's just say it was fair and everyone left happy... if you get my drift.

Macroni hit the nail on this. If you have found the car you like, you will most like put more into it than you will ever get back on resale--that's just the way it works with these cars, unless your intention is to flip. I would venture to guess that nearly everyone on this forum who had the intention of keeping their car and, therefore, improved it to their taste (mechanically or cosmetically), would "lose" money on a sale--especially now.

Think of it like this, nearly every other car that you would drive regularly and enjoy is going to depreciate, even if you maintain it meticuloulsy. These early cars are holding their value and have risen in value tremendoulsy in the past couple of years. The current downward push is the deflation of a bubble but the underlying value of early cars is strong because of the quality and (lack of) quantiy available. Find what please you, negotiate a price you're comfortable with, and don't worry about the money--this is not an investment(for monetary security, that is), it's a car. Enjoy it and enjoy the fact that, odds are, it's resale value will most likely increase. And if it doesn't? So what!:D

So the orange 73 sold for $70K but this green 69 goes unsold for $20K?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=445974

Unless you have a picture or Steve Mcqueen kissing the vin # of the orange car , their is a huge disconnect here.

And I didn't have to go far to find this example. They are all over the place. Found this one at the top of the page, first one I clicked on, here in Pelican For Sale section.

I remember when I bought my all original 36 Ford Roadster. All my buddies where buying the hotrod Fords, for $75K to $150K, and telling me I wasted my money at $25K. I can tell you now, they can't give those cars away, and mine tripled in value.

Anywho, just my 2 cents again.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1233248585.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1233248601.jpg

Who say's it sold for $70k?

The only way I can 'get your drift so that everyone walked away happy', is if the buyer had more money than he knew what to do with, didn't know the market, and has no intention of ever finding out. Sorry if this was your original intention with the above quote...I am slow.

We should all be so lucky ;)

Paul,
I thought it went for close to asking, but I have been wrong before. :(


I agree, the Landreth T is beautiful in its simplicity and IMO a fair purchase at $20,000.

Let's look closer at the Tangerine car....

A 1973 T Non Sunroof Coupe converted to R Gruppe Style Hot Rod by Jeff Gamroth, ex Tom Wilkinson car. 3 inches of complete documentation of every build detail. Factory Tangerine color (2323). 2.7 Mechanical Fuel injected RS spec Motor (7R case) with RS MFI Pump. 4 Factory 911 R wheels on 195/60 F and 215/60 R Yokohamas. Gearbox also built by Jeff Gamroth with Quaffi LSD with Wevo shifter. Paint is exceptional and car is in concour condition. Bilstein HD shocks with 21mm front and 27 mm rear drilled torsion bars. Upgraded SC brakes with cool kit. Interior contains RS Lightweight style carpet and door panels with ST seats, vinyl with cord inserts. 10K tach with Momo steering wheel with correct (vintage) Momo hub. Absolutely NO rust and car is in perfect mechanical condition .

Now the Landreth T

Black plate CA. car until 1994(I still have the plates) and driven only 7k since and only in nice weather.I believe I am the third owner but don't have proof of that. NO rust (I mean it!).New tires,correct batteries,rebuilt calipers/hoses,tank removed and cleaned,carbs(Webers) just professionally rebuilt.Matching #'s. Repainted shortly after it arrived in Ohio in the original Irish green.I'd rate the paint an "8" due to some orange peel in a few spots(ie:leading edge of hood) Door gaps are excellent and there is no evidence of any prior body repair that I can find.I had an extensive PPI prior to purchase by the Porsche-only specialist I've used since 1986.They described it as one of the nicest early cars they'd ever seen.It's a 4-speed,non-sunroof car with steel wheels(all dated 10-68) Mileage 104k. I don't know if the case has ever been split but it's pretty obvious that the car was pretty well maintained and not modified.Compression was taken during the PPI (after the car had not been started in 10 years) and was very good on all cylinders.The car will emit a puff of smoke at startup after sitting but that's it. Carbs just rebuild and only require final adjustment. Drivers seat bottom has some cracks and seatback padding is a little thin. Pass.seat back vinyl has a shrunken spot at the top R corner.There are a few odd's and ends that should be addressed eventually (CV boots,shifter bushings, shifter ball cup and shifter U joint bushings).

Two very different cars in very different stages of finish.
125 hp 2.0L vs est. 220hp 2.7L w/ RS MFI Pump
Steelies vs 7Rs
4spd vs 5 spd w/ Quaffi LSD & Wevo
"8" vs Exceptional Paint
Original vs Highly worked
Misc sorting vs sorted

I can see the difference in value. This is not to say down the road which will have greater value.

I think they are all beautiful cars and would buy all of them if funds (and wife) would permit! However, getting closer to the original point of the thread, has anyone seen the 73E in question live and in person? I am considering a trip up north to take a look myself, as it looks like a reasonable quality car for the money, albeit from the limited photos that I have received. I would appreciate any feedback on the car as I decide whether to make the trip. Thanks

You answered your own question.

DO NOT SETTLE!


The car you want is out there waiting to be found!

Well, I have to disagree with that statement. Settle as little as possible. The chances of you finding your favorite year, model and color in good original condition with no or very few flaws is a snowball's chance in hell. Oh, and throw in "at a reasonable plrice". And lastly - willing to swap for a kit Cobra :)
You will need to settle on one or more of the above in order to eventually buy a car.
One thing to think about when deciding on what to settle with, is that all of the SWB and LWB base models respectively were very similar in appearance. The things that separated them were more powerful engine, upgrade brakes, and upgraded suspension. And those can be changed depending upon your wallet and your preference. A nice clean body and an original color cannot.
You want a real S, be prepared to spend at least $55k or more for a good one. You want an E, be prepared to spend at least $35k or more. You want a clean T be prepared to spend at least $25k.

Okay, DO NOT Settle was a litttle strong. How about you can get very close to the mark? Though if you ask JetDriver, FlatSixJunky or Teenchy, all who went through long searchs for their prized ideal car, they would preach patiences.

Blau, You are correct about price. If you were willing to offer the moon I know where there is a primo 72E. You would need mucho $$$s to pry it away.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-911E-1972-CLEAN-AND-RARE_W0QQitemZ230322584447QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10156 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

72E Targa

Might want to get an engine number on that car. The engine shroud is yellow (like a T ) and should be green like an E. Also the pic's are from far away and are not able to be enlarged. None of the important undercarriage pic's are included to see what kind or rust issues the car may have.

There is a beautiful black '72 with 3.0 power at European Collectibles in the mid-$30s which in the context of the above cars is a bargain. The paint and detailing are exceptional.

Like Macroni, I built my '72/3.2 for my own particular tastes, which is really the only way to do it. But for me, that meant getting an 8.5 paint job instead of a 10, so I wouldn't feel bad driving it anywhere. I also bought it as a basket case, so it was 5 years to get it 'done.' But you soon learn these are never 'done.' Fortunately, I am not upside down, even in this market, having built the car slowly and carefully.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1233338347.jpg

My inspiration was Jack Olsen's BB1, and this car wears a BB1 front bumper.

My 3.2L came hotroded from the factory :-)
IMHO, the best values out there are these sub 50K mile mid 80's Carreras.
I can't even tell you how well I was able to acquire this one a few weeks ago now.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1233338871.jpg

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Like Macroni, I built my '72/3.2 for my own particular tastes, which is really the only way to do it.

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Those same tastes are also particularly good. Nicely done Bill. Very nicely done. Great stance.

Karl.

I was in Northern California last week for some other business and did get a chance to see this car (along with a few others). While I would characterize it as an honest car, there wasn't anything exceptional about it. Seller has owned the car for over 15 years, has the service records for his ownership, mostly from the same mechanic in the Bay Area. The 3.0 was put in about 10 years ago. No other major work done, but plenty of routine maintenance. Car seems to drive fine, with no funny noises and has a nice kick with the larger displacement. Color code for the car is 414, so car was originally Olive. Headliner and carpets appear to be original, dash has cracks in the usual spots, and door panels and pockets are intact and better than most. Aftermarket Recaro seats are in good shape. Paint is ok and very serviceable for a driver, although the doors need some adjustment as they hang unevenly (gap is much wider at the top) and don't shut as crisply as they should. Flares are ok, but the fender edge doesn't have the crisp even line that it should. No rust evident from my visual inspection. At some point it looks like someone attempted to update the car, as the window trim on both the driver and passenger doors had been black but some effort had been made to polish off the finish. In addition, the seller indicated that he replaced the headlight trim rings, which was body-color matched, with chrome. If only the car had the original motor.....

Although priced right, I agree with the passing on it. Either give me a nice Hot Rod or give me nice matching #s car.

Yup. Too much to do when you have a choice!

What a difference only a couple of weeks make, even given the economy stunk then. Now, a no brainer pass....and next!