I did the very same thing Guy!
I also noticed that the SWS red Carrera 2.7 at 86,500 euros has gone.

The 1975 Carrera 25 Jahre Jubiläums Modell was pretty special.

I found some production numbers info., months ago when we were discusing them, for the ROW carrera versions (silver anniversary) . But I don't know where I put it at the moment. I will try to find it and post sometime soon.

The wide Body example No. 9030 was debunked as far as being a factory optioned wide body ......yes ?

I also noticed that the SWS one was missing, had been on mobile.de I think for about 18 months.

The information I had was that 9030 was not produced as a wide body, it is still for sale here:

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?bsubmit=true&lmodelflag=12159&lma nufacturer=10106&lcurrency=2&lcurrency_currencycha ngeform=2&whatbutton.x=0&page=2&lprice=0&lvat=1&lc ompetitionmanufacturer=10106&lresultsperpage=20&la uctionmanufacturer=10106&lseller=1&smilageoperator =less&ldrive=1&size=20&spriceoperator=less&lmilage type=1&lCarID=1814054

Guy

This is not related to 76 2.7 cars. But I think this thread now has some leaway to include other 74-77 carrera related issues & info.

Guy , since you have a 77MY C3.0 . This could interest you. On the "The original OEM tail thread collective documentation", I posted a question regarding a factory part . Descriped as a "air duct" in the PET parts catalog. which is bolted under the main grill on Non-a/c optioned cars. (the non-A/C designation is not notated in the PET. But obviously , it cannot be used if an A/C condenser is fitted).

In the PET , it lists this air duct as applicable to 1977 MY - 1980 MY / all 911 models , but West German market cars only.

When I was perrousing Dr. K's website. I noticed on the very original 1978 & 1980 MY 911sc's , which are on his for sale list. These cars have the air duct installed (again I would post photos that he has there showing it...but all his photos are marked "copyrighted" )


So 1978-80MY is definately correct.

But the white non-A/C 1977 C3 Dr. K has listed , does not have this air duct. Now this partcular example (C3) , might not be an original West German market car (this is most likely the case , why it does not have this piece). Or it is just missing .

Has anyone ever seen a 1977 C3 (or 1977 MY lesser 911 model) with one of these ? Again it would have to have been a car which was originally built for , and sold in W. Germany.

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Hi Ratbox,

I hadn't seeen them before but looking through some images I downloaded I found the duct on #261 which was supplied by Hahn, Felbach and #1159 which was for sale in Dusseldorf a cople of years ago.

Guy

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Hi Gwhite,


Thx for looking through your files. It's nice to know the PET is correct (although it normally is...sometimes just light on info. not normally outright mistakes).

So , i'm assuming these were both C3's . Were they standard steel decklid (non Spoilers/m473 ) optioned cars ?

As far as the PET , seemingly they would come on either a standard decklid , or a whaletail. It makes no distinction of either. I'm guessing the brown car was m473 optioned ? I see what looks like a hole , for a rubber insert, in the one rain channel viewable. Yet , either it's not there on the other side (strangely , I cannot even see a speck of the other hole) . Or the one i'm seeing is not actually a hole ?

Hi RatBox,

They are both C3's and as you rightly say the brown one is a spoiler lid. I hadn't noticed the hole for the rain channel but that is definitely what it is, maybe the one the other side is just outside the photograph, unfortunately I don't have any others of the engine bay. I know the next question you are going to ask is whether the spoiler is original but it isn't listed amongst the options.

Guy

This is VERY interesting , if you have a photo of the Whaletail on the brown car (76X 0261) could you please post it ?

I am assuming it is a fiberglass tail ? ( maybe not , but i'm guessing it is) . So since this car has both the holes for the rubbers in the channels , AND the air duct (the duct is not something the normal person would dig up in fitting a wing. And if someone added holes ... chances are ....they would have the rubbers present ).

We can lean heavily towards some supposition. That the tail is original fitment on this 1977 Carrera. That German Market 1977 C3's got the fiberglass tails vs. Poly (if it's a glass tail).

And in some instances , options originally fitted to cars can be , not listed (omited), by the factory on the records (which I already knew. And have documented examples of).

RatBox,

The brown one does indeed have a fibreglass with rubber lip type spoiler. You will note that there is no second gas strut on the right hinge which we surmise is only ftted with the heavier all poly version.

BTW do you know the exact purpose of this air duct and why it would only be fitted to German market cars?

Guy

"which we surmise is only ftted with the heavier all poly version."

Hi G,

And do not forget , 2nd shocks also on 930 glass tails (2nd grill) with A/C.

I have no idea , as to why the air ducts are on W. German market 77-80 My cars only. Just that it is noted in the PET as (D) . Which decodes to West DE. It is obviously an air diverter, directing air flow.

I just looked again at various PET's. And I noted two other strange things . In the various years of applicable 74-77 & 78-83 , DE & UK PET's . (This piece , and any related hardware is not listed in the two same USA PET's. Only in the diagram , not a text listing).

There is a notation in the 74-77 PET's (DE & UK) for a second listing of this duct (in parenthese) , with a/c (written out - "air conditioner' or 'klimaanlage" noted next to it) ...yet it is the same part number ? (I don't know if this is a mistake or what - as I cannot see how the same exact piece could fit with an A/C condenser present ?

In the 78-83 PET's (UK & DE) , it has a similar second listing of this part (in parenthese , with written out A/C worded notations) . Yet ALSO has some fasteners noted applicable to this piece but specifically has M559 , M399 (a/c) noted next to them.

A third part of the mystery surrounding this piece is that it is also listed in the 1975-77 930 PET's (UK & DE) as applicable to "1977-on"

I have not not looked at 1978 - on DE & UK 930 PET's to see if it is listed thru 1980. But in theory . Even with a bolt on type tail to steel decklid. It could fit . if the forward metal surrounding the standard decklid grill opening is present (I have not checked) , as long as no motor hardware interferes.

Of course the listings in the UK & DE 1975 - 77 930 PET's , could be a mistake ? And It was just neglected to be removed from these catalogs when it was supposed to be ?

Again , it is the same on the 3.0 Liter turbo application , as the possible 3.3.... It could fit , as long at motor hardware/pieces would allow.

I have never seen one on a 3.0 or 3.3 930 (German delivery). But then again , I never had noticed one on any 77-80 911's , carrera's , or 911sc's prior to really digging either !

So keep you eye out on those also.

Here's something that some folks might find interesting. 1974 US Carrera Targa 441 0012 (August , 1973 Production - original paint / 73,969 miles).

Notice the ducktail 'Carrera' Decal :

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1302029763.jpg

Good detective work.:) I have wondered in the past what "Carrera" emblem/decal was on the ductails originally for the '74 model year Carreras.

BTW, the VIN you have in the post is for a ROW Carrera 2,7 Targa (461) but the decal on the car I think reads 441.

Yes ,

Thx Fryardds , I noticed that on my saved photos. And changed them yesterday, but I did not realize I wrote it here also .... a 441 / US car.

Regarding the rear decals. My guess is it was the first thing they used as they had the decals already from 1973. And that even though they also had the metal badge (i believe) for rear spoiler delete cars in 1973. They must have been in short supply (or had initially intended on using the decal in the same earlier 1973 location used on ducktails , then changed their mind to the lower location on the tail) . But the bulk of the cars had metal badges shortly after.. Though later on through the year, some decals seem to surface on a few cars. Earlier in this thread , you can find another later 74 U.S. coupe (440 0397) I posted . With orig paint & decal , which was built in Feb. 1974.

So after the first cars , maybe at points when they were short on badges in the parts bins ?

Heres , a a copy of the (US) , 1974 911 model line sales brochure. You will note that the pre-production Carrera used in this brochure. Has a decal , as even though the photo is not close enough to see detail. It is mounted high on the Duck (alla 1973 RS 2.7) . So it is obviously a decal.

Well I forgot , pdf files cannot be posted here. And I do not know how to save one page of a pdf file, converted into another format . So you'll just have to take my word on it . Unless you have the brochure. Or it is on a french enthusiests website dedicated to 2.7 911's (I can't remember the address unfortunately right now).

Here's a link to the French site that RatBox is refering to, the photo of the rear of the Carrera is on the last page.


http://sigierca.cluster010.ovh.net/froggy/doc/brochus911.pdf

Guy

I have had that dealer sales lit. since it came out it 1974. I never noticed the script on the rear decklid of that ducktail. Unchanged from a 73RS. Good eyes Ratbox.

I see that the orange one with the wide body # 9116609030 is now also sold.

Guy

Where did you see that Guy?

Hi Rick,

If you follow the link to the advert in my post #243 above, it now says sold on 4th April.

Guy

WOW, they were asking $270,000 U.S.D. For a non original car. I think I will email them to see what they got for it.

Rick
Any luck on the transaction price for 9030? If the weather ever cooperates in the mid-west, I believe I will start to dust mine off and figure out where to begin.