I was not interpreting the parenthese around a Position number in the PET catalogs properly. It does not signify optional . Actually : "part only similar as illustrated".

I amended my text accordingly.

This paragrph still applies :

"Similarly strange , and along these same lines . Is the fact that , in the 1974-77 911 PET , all three main tail piece versions ("spoilerdeckel") are listed. Which means they are applicable. Obviously this does not just mean that you could fit them. As if that was the case , position number 29-32 pieces would be listed also."

I have looked at photographs I have of the 1976 Carrera 2.7's and the only one I have found with the channel rubbers is #41. We know that the rear spoiler was added to this car by Freisingers, they obviously paid attention to detail by fitting the rubbers as well, although they didn't fit the front rubber lip which I think is a bit more important if the car is driven at speed.

As #28, #50 and #120 all have rear spoilers but no M473 on the build details perhaps Rick, sduser and g911 could check for any evidence of the holes for the rubber buffers in the channels.

None of the COAs I have seen for these cars have M473, as these were all also supplied in Germany maybe they could not be supplied there with spoilers just the same as the case with the ducktail.

Guy

My #9028 does NOT have the holes for the snubbers in the channels As I said in a earlier post, the first owner, or the dealer could have put the rear spoiler on it.
When I painted the car, I refinished both rear decklids so I could go either way and never worry about not having a perfect paint match.

Thanks Rick and good idea to have the flat lid and whale tail painted. I am doing the same with my '74 fitting a flat lid which was original but also having a ducktail I have painted.

Guy

I see the ex Belgian Gendarmerie Targa #9026 is now for sale at a dealer in Cologne.

Porsche Targa - Cars: Detail View

Guy

Guy
I'm surprised by the poor sales ad , the price and the website!

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Also, the body number seems off. It seems to be #1901530, but shouldn't it start with 116 if it is a 1976 Targa? Actually the area where the body number is looks completely ground off and possibly restamped. It isn't stamped cleanly enough to be able to compare the font to other photos I have.

I was also perplexed by the build number.

1=911
9=special body for gendarmerie?
0= 1970 or 1980?

Guy

I'm seeing 100 :

1970 coupe.



Something is very wrong here.

These cars have standard production numbers of 106 XXXX (coupe) & 116 XXXX (Targa).

Here's something I noticed awhile ago , regarding the rear decklid Carrera DECAL.


I don't know anything about rhyme or reason....

On 1974 US Carrera coupe 440 0397 . Suppose to be original paint (and generally it seems to be, from what I can tell with photos. And from contacing the owner regarding history) :

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298504862.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298504915.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298504962.jpg

I think that crappy finish work on the underside of the rear deck lid is normal. When they bonded the rear glass ducktail on the steel frame, I don't think they went for a perfect look. After 35+ years of opening and closing the deck lid, a lot of minor flexing has taken it's tole on the seams.

Ric,

Yes , the paint looks original to me , and that's why I put that tail underside photo here. I also spoke to the 2nd owner . And a member of the original owners family works for the current 2nd owner. And maintains that the bulk of the paint on the car is original, and specifically the tail.

I posted this in general , as we had been discusing the Carrera rear deck DECAL vs. the Carrera rear deck metal BADGE , earlier in this thread.

That's why I said , I do not know '"rhyme or reason" ....... as to why this car came with a decal. While the majority have metal badges. It seems to be kind of an anamoly on a post 73 carrera . Or at least very unusual. We were trying to determine if they were used on the 1976 911/83 cars. My suspicions are , that for some weird reason , these cars did not get anything. No rear deck badge or decal. But this is just my suspicion.

9120 has one , but it's looking like that car did not come with spoilers originally , so obviously it would not be original . Or if it did , the heat shield was replaced and the information regarding it being optioned with M473 was left off the build report of the car.

Have you ever seen a/ or know of.... an original paint example of one of these cars ? If so, what was on the rear decklid ? (or whaletail - although NO cars have surfaced that have M473 listed in their reports. OR anything noting M473 delete , if it was part of a package on these cars. Unlike any normal post 1973 Carrera , where spoilers were always an option - with the exception of 1974 RS & RSR 3.0's.

I have a freind with a 1974 Euro carrera in lime green that is rusted to death. he believes it was the Frankfurt Auto show car. It's serial # was under 25 I remember. I'll check with him and report back on the badge vs decal.
I can't say I ever could verify seeing a 76 2.7 carrera tat I could prove came with a rear spoiler.

Thx ,


So since you did not mention it , i'm assuming you have not seen a orig. paint regular decklid 1976 C 2.7 . To know how they originally came in regards to a rear badge (metal / decal / none) ? I think the vast bulk were built with standard rear decklids. Even though it seems strange , I'm guessing that these cars could have all come sans rear badge.

One reason , on the gold south african car. The owner put no badge on after he repainted (and people tend to add neat things - not remove them) . I am using that as an indication . That for whatever reason, these cars did not come with a rear carrera badge or decal.

Unless someones seen a known original rear paint car to know yes or no. And if yes , whether metal or decal .

I'll give you $5,000

As I said in my original post, I bought 5+ of these cars when they were less than 10 years old. Just can't remember what the rear badging was. These were among 600 cars I brought in between 81 and 1985.
I spoke with my friend who has 74 carrera #012 engine #025. By the time he got ahold of it there was a Carrera RS badge on it so we know it was a previous owner add on.

The Magenta '74 Carrera that I posted earlier in this thread is a one owner car. I have sent him an email asking if it ogiginally had a metal badge or decal on the ducktail, from a photo I have it looks like a gold coloured decal.

Guy

Here's a car that might help to learn about any associated parts that , at some point in time , could be part of M473.

Here's a car that is an ex- Rick Calbell car from what the current owner tells me . A 1977 C3 , number 760 0588 .

As you can see it has the holes drill in the rain channels for rubber inserts. But it does not have a 2nd passenger side support shock (or associated mounting tabs).

Upon looking again at the PET. I believe the second shock would be on A/C optioned cars only ? And if i'm reading it correctly , or printed correctly - possibly A/C optioned cars with standard decklids ? (after whenever it was the second shock was decided to be used (I believe 1976 MY) .

760 0588 :


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1298919611.jpg.

Of course , we have to know if this car came originally with M473. The owner says the U.S. procured COA does not list it (but then ,it's funny the rain channel holes are drilled) .

Can you check Gwhite , and see if yes or no on 473 originally for this car ?


PS - the car has been upgraded with MFI as you can see. This was done by Mr. Cabell . I think thats pretty awesome.

I just replied to you on the other thread. That car is a 77 3.0 I bought from the original owner in Weisbadden in 1984. It DID have the 2nd mounting bracket for the right side shock. The extra weight on the spot welds did it's toll and it fell off. I forgot to weld it back on before I completed the car. That car never had air for sure.
The motor is original to the car. I installed J&E 9.5:1 pistons, and 911S cams from a early MFI car. I built the 3.0 RS MFI systems for it. That car runs like a scalded cat!

Hi Ric,

I think the inj. on the 3L is super neat. And i'm glad you could tell us about the Brackets/tabs /second shock.

Obviously , any A.C notation on the any of these parts inthe PET is not exclusive.

As you can see i'm always keeping my eyes open. Again , I'm glad you were involved with this car to know the history on those pieces. When things get changed it's hard to know that something was actually present prior. Easy to get fooled.