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rsnodgrass 02-05-2013 05:24 AM

Speakers are definitely after market. Nice seats! Interesting, your floor mats don't seem to have the ribber rubber section underneath the pedals, but seem to match the rest of the carpet. Can you take an up close photo of the weave of the carpet fibers on the driver's side mat and also of the backing material/pattern?

Unfortunately I think the original mats in most of our cars are long gone, having been replaced at some point as the driver's side became worn. I don't have access to my 1976 sales brochures to see if they have any photos of the mats in the other models for comparison. I know the 1974 had the rubber ribbed front section, and I believe the 1975 did as well. Guy, Andrea, Brian, or anyone else know what the 1976 mats looked like? The Turbo and Carrera 3.0 mats might be different though since they had a different more luxurious carpet.

elferfan 02-05-2013 01:22 PM

I won't be able to take pictures of the mats in the next days, but I can confirm, that there is no rubber section on the mats. Also in Front of the gearshift lever is no rubber. The material of the mats perfectly match with the rest of the carpet and I believe they are belonging together.

GWhite 02-06-2013 05:55 AM

My 1977 Carrera 3 has the ribbed rubber area ahead of the gear lever to rest your foot on and also under the pedals on the original carpets I have.

Guy

fryardds 02-06-2013 11:59 AM

Thanks for the interior shots. Those are nice seats. The carpets don't look original to me. No rubber sections at all and the weave and border look wrong also.

elferfan 02-06-2013 02:44 PM

I checked the Porsche sales brochure of 1976 which includes pictures of all standard models (924, 911, Carrera 3.0, 911 Turbo). All three 911 models do have a more luxurious carpet and black rubber on the driver's floor mat.

The orange car of Manfred Freisinger (#41) has the same interior than my car and the carpet has also no rubber. It seems to me that these cars had a special carpet.

rsnodgrass 02-06-2013 03:57 PM

Those are absolutely the correct carpets for the 1976 Carrera 2.7. They had a very rough carpet. The black carpet has blue fibers so it appears as a midnight shade. The tan also had the same very rough carpet but no special fiber mix like the blue in the black. I haven't had a chance to check a 912E or base 911 to see if they share the same rough carpet or not. Could it be that these cars came with a lighter weight carpet set not found on other cars?

I don't know the story about the rubber ribbing as I've seen both and 1976 brochure/options photos always show the rubber ribbing on the production models. What was on the 1976 Carrera 2.7 is still a mystery. I don't know if the floor mats themselves are original without seeing some up close shots of the fibers and the backing underneath the mats.

Speaking of which did the 1976 Carrera 3.0 carpet use the same very thick pile as the 930 Turbo, or was it the shorter pile used on the 911S?

g911 02-06-2013 03:57 PM

This is the driver's side mat in mine. Note the debris thrown in to simulate that "garage find" patina.:eek:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360198411.jpg

rsnodgrass 02-06-2013 08:25 PM

Will be interesting to see how the 1975 Carrera 2.7 sells for at the Bonham's auction today. See Carrera MFI 2.7: Bonhams Auctions 1975 Carrera

rsnodgrass 02-07-2013 06:59 AM

Carrera MFI 2.7: '75 Carrera Sold @ Bonhams for €77,050

The 1975 Carrera MFI 2.7 at Bonham's Grand Palais auction in Paris just hammered sold for €67,000 + 15% buyer's commission to a buyer in the room, which totals €77,050 (approx. $104k USD).

Reminder Bonham's also charges a seller's commission which can negotiated by the seller, starting from the maximum of 10%. Net to the seller would be somewhere between €60,300 and €63,650 (approx. $81,000 to $86,000 USD)

elferfan 02-20-2013 03:53 AM

Ryan,

I took pictures of the carpet and floor mats. On the first picture you see both, the carpet and floor mat. They are still a little bit dirty, but I think it is ok to see the structure and color. On the second picture you see the backside of the floor mat. I believe everything is original.

My mechanic, who is a porsche specialist since over 40 years and worked with the factory in the 1960's told me today, that the car was homologated as "RS" by Porsche. I will try to get something in written from the factory.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1361364549.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1361364565.jpg

Rick Cabell 02-20-2013 05:04 AM

I thought I mentioned this in my original post, but I guess not.
I sat in Erwin Kremer's office several months before he passed. I asked him about these 76 2.7 cars as he had one there for repair. He said that there was a peticular class of racing that was popular in Europe where current model cars were raced with minor tweeking allowed. The Carrera model which started production in the fall of 75 as the new Carrera 3.0 had CIS injection. This car was not adaptable to hotter cams and other minor mods. It's known of Kremer's close relationship with Porsche. He suggested that enough 2.7 MFI cars should be built to re homologate the 74/75 2.7 MFI Carrera. It appears that the 2.7 cars were built at the end of the 76 Carrera 3.0 run. June- July of 76.
Between the language translation,others talking in the room, and the phone ringing, I didn't get the facts 100% correct, but this is the point he was making.
The chances of Porsche having 150 911/83 engines sitting on the shelfs in the summer of 76 seems pretty slim.

fryardds 02-20-2013 06:30 AM

Elfer,

Thanks for the close up of the carpets. Yes, those do look original, especially the underside. Learned something new about these interesting and mysterious Carreras.

Ryan,

In your research of these cars, have you contacted Dieter Landenberger, Director of the Museum archives, for info on these cars? He is extremely helpful.

rsnodgrass 02-20-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fryardds (Post 7284360)
In your research of these cars, have you contacted Dieter Landenberger, Director of the Museum archives, for info on these cars? He is extremely helpful.

Yes, I have had numerous discussions with folks at the Porsche Archives. They have been extremely helpful, but as of yet haven't uncovered the reason why these cars were originally produced. I have a few more open questions that I'm waiting to hear back on. Fingers crossed!

Rick Cabell 02-20-2013 06:56 AM

I have a friend who speaks with Jurgen Barth a few times a years. I'll have him ask Jurgen, he would have a good idea.

fryardds 02-20-2013 07:17 AM

In case you guys missed this one. Paul at Autokennel had a '75 Carrera for sale recently and it sold very quickly. The asking was $139.9K. A color change from Ice Green metalic to Lime Green.


1975 Porsche 911 Euro Carrera

rsnodgrass 03-03-2013 04:09 AM

elferfan,

Do you have any photos of the engine compartment on your 1976 Carrera 2.7?

elferfan 03-03-2013 11:44 AM

I haven't taken any photos of the engine yet. Is there anything particular in what you are interested?

giladblum 03-08-2013 02:05 AM

is my car a 2.7 carrera?
 
I bough this 76 not to long ago, it looks like a carrera but is it?
it has a 2.7 engine cis, what is the value ?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362740528.jpg

vracer 03-08-2013 07:22 AM

Show us another picture of the car with the model in a bikini, and we'll comment.

giladblum 03-08-2013 08:09 AM

Give a good estimate and I'll give the model with NO bikini :-)


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