I own a 911/83 *6668109* engine form the last series 1976
Wonder from which car this came from, probably came from one of '76 the belgian police Targa's .
Maybe some one knows .....

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I can't believe this has been here so long and I didn't know it existed until today. Obviously I am a fan and enjoy/appreciate the info and comments.

One small thing I can add right now: There is a reference to an original unrestored car with images that show a black with white lettering USA B pillar sticker. I was in the process of restoring a couple of 911s in 1991 or so and replaced this sticker on both cars. The first one arrived in correct spec silver with black lettering. When I ordered the sticker for the 2nd car I was advised that for whatever reason the could no longer supply the silver-black sticker and I would only be able to get it in black with white lettering. I proceeded. it looked exactly like the B pillar sticker on that "original, unrestored" car mentioned here.

I should have noted it at the time so I could be more specific. At this point my head hurts... BTW, there is also an image of a correct silver with black lettering B pillar sticker later in this thread.

OH, and my long term speculation about what we called "76 RSs" way back before it mattered: I had noted in searching various cars and vin numbers that these cars were the ONLY cars, outside of specific factory race cars, that had the 2nd 9 in the vin number. I used to refer to these as the "magic 9s". For what that is worth. My various resources led me to believe there was customer demand for Group 4 racers and the factory had nothing current. Of course this would imply that there would be homoligation papers. I wondered if they might have been considered as a continuation of the 1974+ 911/83 Carreras.

I don't the black with white lettering was ever used in period for the door jamb decal. I think all of the 1976 Carrera 2.7 had the silver with black letter sticker. Sometime during 1975 model year they introduced. Reproductions are available here: Carrera MFI 2.7: Store

Sir,
My point exactly. Since the factory didn't supply the black vin stickers until the 90s an original and unrestored example would not have that 15 years plus later B pillar vin sticker. The recently produced replica stickers are impressive. If I were to restore one again it would be the way to go.
JR

Well, the market has spoken, at least for now.

1976 Carrera 2.7 MFI #9030 sold on Saturday at the Coy's Nurburgring auction for 225,000 Euro + 25,000 Euro buyer commission = 250,000 Euro (approximately $335,000 USD), despite the non-original details of 930 Turbo style flares, wider Fuchs, and ducktail.

For more info see:

FS: @Coys Auction - 1976 Porsche 911 / G Carrera RS 2.7

Carrera MFI 2.7: 1976 Carrera @ Coys Auction

Coys of Kensington: Lot 136 - 1976 Porsche 911 / G Carrera RS 2.7 - One of 113 cars made

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Interesting they refer to it as "unrestored". Must be something more to the story.

"Offered today is chassis number 30. This 911, finished in continental orange with original black interior is described as an unrestored and genuine example. It is furthermore a matching numbers engine and gearbox example, coming with german road papers and a Porsche birth certificate, confirming its delivered on 30.4.1976 to Porsche dealership Glöckler in Frankfurt / Germany. A superb and rare collectors item, unrepeatable and definitely time to buy before the car follows suit of its 1973 brother. "

I can't tell if the description refers to the interior as unrestored, or the entire car. The wording is tricky.

Regardless, some observations:

1. Ducktails weren't fitted in 1976

2. The door jam is missing the silver ECE homologation sticker, possibly suggesting a repaint (see Store - 1975-1983 European Safety Door Decal)

3. The 1976 models all came with electric flag mirrors...this has the earlier style.

4. Turbo flares are not known to be added to an 1976 Carrera 2.7 MFI (though there is the possibility this could have been ordered as every one of the 1976 Carrera 2.7 were special orders and dealers could write in whatever a customer wanted on the order forms). Serious proof, like original order documentation, would be needed to prove these flares original however...and given the possibility of a repaint along with the addition of a ducktail begs the question.

....and so on.

That said, the 1976 Carrera 2.7 is the last mechanically fuel injected 911 ever produced by Porsche for the street (only race cars after that point), fitted with the legendary RS-spec 911/83 engine, a non-production model given each were special factory orders, rare due to low production quantity (113 built), and feature different details than the 1974-75 Carrera 2.7 MFI. Those factors do all contribute to make these something special and how the market will react to these models long term is TBD. I don't think the Coy's number will look ridiculous in time, but I am a bit biased.

IMO it is the most significant street model Porsche produced in 1976. More significant than the 1976 930 (as 1975 was truly the first year for the 930). I have both a 3.0-liter 930 and Carrera 2.7 MFI, and the Carrera 2.7 MFI is a much more thrilling and visceral experience. Performance is better than the 930 at lower speeds, and the instant throttle response is addicting. They are two different cars, of course, each with their merits and significance to Porsche history. If had to sell one, it would be the 3.0-liter 930...of course, it isn't for sale ;) Now, a 1975 930 vs a 1976 Carrera 2.7 MFI would be a tough call, but in that case I'd tip my hat to the 1975 930.

Hello,

this is my first posting here at the Pelican Forum. I think I can contribute some information about the S-CC 6000 ca, 911 560 0032. I know it from 1989 on, and was the owner for more than 10 years. This is the engine data: 210PS (hp) at 6200 rpm, 2995 ccm. First registration was on 23th July 1974, before the regular Model Year 1975 started. On 5th August 1977 the car got another engine written to the papers, 2956ccm and 200hp at 6000rpm. Three days later the car was registered to the new owner.

The car had a 4-speed Sportomatic, round mirrors, yellow foglights, sunroof and a light green interiour "Wildleder". Alle and everything inside was either leather or "Schottenkaro". In 1994 it was in a bad condition, and was rebuild as a race car. This car was worth nearly nothing back then, it was the cheapest 911 I could find for that project. You can find pictures on Armando Serranos web pages showing this car in yellow, from the following owner.

During the restauration, original engine and Sportomatic were sold.

The rpm counter was one of a normal Caerre 2.7 with red at 7200rpm, later modified by painting the red line black and placing a new red line at a lower rev. I still have it, but sadly it does not have the re-painted dial in it now.

If there is interest, I can show more.

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Please do show more. I obtained the spec for the car from Porsche which ties in with what you give but are you saying the original engine was a 3-litre? The original engine number as much as is given out by Porsche was 665 XXXX which could be a normal 911/83 engine from the 1975 model year or could be something else if the first 'X' was not a zero. The sportomatic was also not normally offered on the Carrera but again the info from Porsche shows a 925 type Sportomatic but doesn't specify a 3 or 4-speed. Fascinating to hear from a former owner of such a car and hope to find out more.

The attached letter from Porsche in October 1988 indicates that 911 560 0032 came with a 3-speed Sportomatic.

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The letter that Ryan has posted above also lists the engine as a 3 litre rather than the production 2.7 litre and experimental. I hadn't spotted that before. Would definitely be interesting to find out the full engine number and more details about it.

Guy

Sounds like the car may have had one of the early 3.0 Carrera engines in it.

The car was definitely equiped with a 4-speed Sportomatic. I think I sold it for 250 or 300DM back then. The original engine was rated 210PS at 6200rpm, when Porsche sold the car it was replaced by a standard 3l Carrera engine, 5-blade fan. I do not remember if the wiring gave hints about the previous engine. Car was stripped down to a race car, because nobody wanted such car in the nineties.
The car also had the electronic heating regulator, one year before it went to regular production. Still have it here, together with the round mirrors, foglites and AC. It also had a electric sunroof, which was changed to normal roof.

I did not find more pics of it in green, only as a race car.

Presumably the car was sold when Ferry Porsche received the 3.0 Turbo in the same colours which is now in the Porsche Museum. When the engine was changed just prior to the sale maybe the gearbox could have also been changed out from a 3 to 4-speed sportomatic. From what you are saying the Carrera 3.0 engine in it now # 666 1281 is yet another engine that was fitted when it was changed from a race car back to original. Interesting to hear that it was fitted with the automatic heating system prior to it being available in the 1976 model year. Also were the mirrors electric or just manual as the information I had from Porsche suggested they could be electric.

Guy

The Sportomatic was not changed, as far as I knew, the information on the letter from Porsche may be just contain an error. Or the Gearbox was one of the parts tested on this car. The prevouis owner told me it was not a standard Sportomatic, but something special, but I did not check it back than, because it was not important for my project. We will not find out, parts are gone.

I don't want to sound like a wise guy, but Porsche regressed to the 3 speed Sporto because the 4 speed internals couldn't hold up under the torque from the 3.0 engines.

Another thing that has gotten lost in our current fixation with hot cams and MFI is that the CIS cars were considered not only a big advance in reliability, but a performance upgrade also. I still have my period magazine articles from when people were raving about the new 3.0 Carreras, etc. From my personal experience I know that slightly tuned 3.0 running early exhaust is a lot more spirited than MFI aficionados understand [I have a MFI car, so this is not a personal bias, simply an observation].

I do suspect the car was built exactly as specified, but someone swapped an earlier 4 speed Sporto in it to gain back performance. That would have made quite a difference over the 3 speed unit.]

it's fun to try to figure out some of these mysteries. With a F&F car there is no telling what they might have done with the build but they were usually interesting cars.

The Sportomatic was for sure a 4-speed one, as it was not a standard one, I remember from the restoration, the owner told me about the problems to get parts because it was a "Versuchs"-part. The letter from Porsche is simply wrong. The 925 Sportomatic can be configured as 4-speed, and that is what it was. And the production card simply list Gearbox: 925, so the wrote on the COA: Three-Speed. The COAs are often incorrect, I have two for the same car with two or three differences between.

And to the CIS Carrera in general: Porsche had serious trouble with customers who went from a Carrera 2.7 to the new 3.0. Maybe, together with to much remaining parts from MY75 (they sold much less cars than 74), this could be the reason for an "inoffical" series of 113 Carrera 2.7 at the end of MY76. The first car that could go equal (and not more) with a good going Carrera 2.7 was a 231PS Carrera 3.2. The 3.0 was called "Luftpumpe" (Air pump) here.
The Carrera 3.0 is great to drive in the city, but if You want fun, on street or track, it can not compete. But back then You could drive outside the cities as fast as You liked here in Germany, as long as You kept alive... No limit on most Autobahn, and almost no controls on smaller roads.

Whatever you say. I have owned both at the same time. My results were not the same as yours. BTW, the bottom line for me was selling the RS and keeping the 3.0 Carrera -which I find every bit as fun and fast as the RS, but slightly more refined.

Anyone's opinion/experience may vary. I think it is important to point out that a lot of absolutes with these various cars-- are NOT absolutes. As for me, I'm outta here. Have fun.

The information I had from Porsche also only stated that it was a 925 gearbox and as you also say COAs are very hit and miss in their accuracy so a 4-speed sounds good.

It is also a very good point that you make that they sold less Carrera 2.7s in 1975 than 1974 and this explains the 113 produced in 1976. There was a line that these cars were produced for some homologation reason but this fits in with the more likely explanation that they were just using up parts they had.

As to the Carrera 2.7 vs Carrera 3 argument I have owned my C3 for 20 years but purchased my C2.7 as an off the road restoration project so look forward to making the comparison when I get it up and running.