Scam?

[b00mslang]

So I was surfing some links that led me to this:

1982 911SC

So, I emailed the seller to ask him if the listed price was correct. I think we'll all agree that there is something that doesn't seem to add-up. He's had it for sale for a couple of weeks and we all know how much any of us could have made off of this if we'd spent a couple of weeks parting it out and posting it here.

Here are his responses:

The car is in Stanley, ND. It is in perfect optical and mechanical condition. It was always garage kept, it has never been involved in an accident. It has clean title, cleared of any obligations or fees (no lien).

I want to finish this deal through Amazon Payments.

It will be shipped from Stanley and I'll pay the delivery cost. The delivery process to your location will take 3-5 days, then you'll have 3 days for inspection. I will start the shipping in the same day with the payment confirmation. Amazon will keep the paid amount until you'll receive, inspect and agree with the car. This is their policy regarding this type of transactions.

If you are still interested, please provide me with your shipping details (full name, shipping address and phone number) so I can contact Amazon regarding our transaction. Then they will send you the information needed to begin the process.

Thanks





On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Dave wrote:

Thank you for the photos.

Couple of quick questions:

Where is it located (State)?
Does it run/drive?

Additionally, it appears to have a lot of time, etc. invested. Your earlier response read;


"Thank you for being interested in buying my car. I'm selling it for $4,950. The price does include shipping and insurance to your address.
Let me know if you are interested."

Is $4,950, delivered, correct?

Thank you
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:09:58 -0600

Subject: Re: 1982 Porsche 911 911SC
From: jshhough
To: sekigahara

You'll see the pics and details attached below.


1982 Porsche 911 SC

214HP 2319 pounds


Removed CIS and did complete 3.2 Motronic DME EFI conversion from 87 3.2 Carerra

New complete gaskets/seals/sensors on engine (anything that needed replacing got replaced even screws/bolts that didnt match)
New custom polished air intake with K+N carbon fiber cone filter
New custom made steel braided fuel lines
New OEM thermostat

New Sachs power sport clutch kit/new clutch fork
New Elephant racing finned oil supply/return lines
New front mounted Seatrab oil cooler
Lowered to Euro spec
New Tarett Engineering sway bars front (through body/reinforced) and rear
New Elephant racing poly bronze bushings front and rear
New Rennline monoballs front

New Elephant racing Monoballs rear
New OEM Porsche Turbo tie rods

New ball joints
All OEM suspension parts cleaned/stripped/powder coated
New Bosch HD shocks front/Sport shocks rear
New Pagid brake pads with Super Blue 4 fluid (flushed everytime I track the car)

New larger torsion bars,i think 28/30,could be wrong,but larger then factory
New Sway Away spring plates with Elephant racing polybronze bushings
New 17" Fikse FM10 wheels with Michelin PS2 tires 225 45/17 fronts 255/40/17 rears (rears are 1 week old as of 8/28/12)
SSI heat exchangers

Magnacore spark plug wires

NEW M&K stainless 2 in 2 out sport exhaust (Perfect sound)
New Corbeau FX1 fiberglass sport seats

New Corbeau 5 pt. 3" harness'
New Custom made roll bar (welded in)
New Brail 15LB light weight battery
New RS lightweight carpet kit

New RS lightweight door panels w/red leather pull straps
Dynomat sound deadening under rear carpet
Momo monte carlo steering wheel with Porsche crest horn button
New HID headlight kit (low and high beams)
New Rennline 3 point strut tower bar

New Rennline brushed aluminum smugglers box lid
New Fiberglass front & rear bumpers

New MA Shaw fiberglass ducktail

NEW Carbon Fiber hood
New OEM Porsche 993 non powered aero mirrors
Complete AC/heating system and components delete/Radio delete/Rear seat delete/Spare tire delete
New Rennline brushed aluminum foot rests
New Rennline brushed aluminum pedal kit

New Rennline RSR engine carrier

New WEVO shift kit (OEM look) with brushed aluminum shift knob and base
New WEVO RARB (reinforced anti roll bar) mounts
New WEVO Semi solid engine mounts
New WEVO precision shift joint/linkage
NEW OEM Porsche Sport tranny mounts
New Autobahn Extremist Carbon fiber engine shroud and carbon fiber fuse panel
New updated aluminum fan (polished)

New updated aluminum fan housing (powder coated red)

New updated/lighter engine compartment sound pad

New heat resistant material (polished look) done on intake runners,upper+lower (turbo) valve covers
New OEM black vinyl headliner
New rubber seals front to rear including all windows,doors,bumpers,hood,engine lid,mirrors,sun roof felt
New front turn signal housings

New front clear turn signal lenses and bulbs
New OEM Bosch non euro red tail light lenses and bulbs
New Rennline red tow hooks front/rear
New OG racing halon filled fire extinguisher (chromed)

New Buckley racing fire extinguisher mount (between front seat)




On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Dave wrote:

Hi Josh,

I can't seem to locate the ad for your Porsche. Would you mind emailing the link to me.

Thank you

Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:40:22 -0600
Subject: Re: 1982 Porsche 911 911SC
From: jshhough
To: sekigahara



Hi,

Thank you for being interested in buying my car. I'm selling it for $4,950. The price does include shipping and insurance to your address.
Let me know if you are interested.

Sent from my iPad

My wife is averse to me adding any more air-cooled projects, at this time, but I must admit. At first glance I saw this as a good rat rod to commute to the office in (rather than having to wipe my Targa dry from top to bottom a couple of times per day).



About a year ago I ran into an ad for a low mileage Carrera in Texas. I wasn't ready to purchase an additional 911 at the time but he was asking something like $7,500 for the car. Now I phoned this guy and discovered that he had purchased it when they were rock-bottom for depreciation (like mid-90s) and he'd paid $7,500 for it and thought he'd try to get his money back. He wasn't even vaguely an enthusiast. He purchased it because it was cheap and a "cool car" and he used it to commute short distances. The car's photos were great and it looked more like about $20K plus worth. I gave him a call and told him to check eBay and he called me back and thanked me. He raise the price by $9K re-advertised it and sold it. My point is that some peeps don't know what their cars are worth.

Maybe this guy with the 1982 911SC is just eccentric or something, but, the photos would tend to reflect someone that is an enthusiast that would have to know what it's worth in parts alone.

I would recommend verifying that any/all of the transaction be through Amazon Payments and not some spoof. I have serious misgivings about the veracity of this ad.

However, if it can be verified, I prefer that one of us gets it. I just feel it would be too easy to double or triple the asking price on eBay if it's legit.

Caveat Emptor Brothers and don't take any chances unless you're sure.

[Ronnie's.930]

Here's the car - notice that many of the pics in the above add come straight from this thread!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/561435-my-6k-porsche-911-a.html

[b00mslang]

Wow, we need to contact the bunko squad. This is indeed the same car "NIPS 911" as portrayed in the photos in this guy's ad.

I'd missed this Pelican thread completely.

So, we can now safely conclude that this is a scam. We've all read about wives fire-selling their (soon to be X) husbands pride-and-joy so you never know until you get the verification.

Now we know.

Boy, do I love this place!

[Danny_Ocean]

[msterling]

Total BS. $60k in parts, 11 mos. to build, finished in 2011, now selling for $4999.88

How dumb what he think I are?

[zippy_gg]

If it is too good to be true... (I'll let you finish this sentence)

[b00mslang]

Hey guys, there was a kid in Bellingham that spent a year trying to sell his 912E for $7,500. It needed a valve job but I went and looked at it and it was in great cosmetic shape. He finally dropped the price to $3,500 and I sat too long and off it went to California the same day I scored a rebuilt Type 4 off of the local Craigslist for $400. Deals do happen depending on the circumstances.

However, this one was too wild to view as acceptable. That's why I posted it.

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by b00mslang

Wow, we need to contact the bunko squad.

Done.

[b00mslang]

Harry Morgan's smirk is sort of creeping me out.

[McLaren-TAG]

It is in perfect optical condition.

I'm willing to be the previous owner was a Nigerian prince.

[GaryR]

The Fikse's alone are worth over $3k used, cost $5K new.. total scam.

[iamtheari]

This isn't the first Porsche-in-ND-that's-too-good-to-be-true scam I've read about here on the boards this year. I don't know if it's the oil boom that puts towns in ND in people's minds or if it's the remoteness that makes them think they can get away with it without you trying to look at the car first.

I happen to be fairly close to Stanley and could even justify a work trip there if I set my mind to it. If you want to follow through to the point of setting up a time for a local Pelican to look at the car and tell you if it exists, I'm here to help. Usually a scam will dissolve pretty quickly when you have a guy on the ground. There are also a few easy ways to tell if a person has ever actually been to Stanley. (People who go to Stanley are practically required by law to go to the drug store and get a Whirl-A-Whip ice cream. Anyone who has lived there for longer than the current oil boom has been going on probably has a favorite flavor.) Or you can ask for a recent picture of the car in direct sunlight. (We only get a few hours of sunlight a week right now given the shorter days and overcast skies, and if the picture does not have both tanker trucks and dirt-colored snow in it, it's not a recent one from Stanley.)

But if you want the Cliff's Notes on this one: It's a scam.

[tazzieman]

A slightly bizarre musician for a somewhat bizarre deal!

[GaryR]

It's the car FS in the ad listed above for $40K!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/561435-my-6k-porsche-911-a.html

[b00mslang]

His ad says it's in Florida and his email indicates it's being "shipped" from ND.

Maybe he got tired of poaching dinosaur bones, or whatever they do there?

Some peeps are naive, that's why it's good to get the opinion of the community. Some deals do exist. For instance, I recently purchased an absolutely perfect brass flywheel and shroud version of an early Easy Washing Machine Engine. This is one of the rarest types of washing machine engines (built by the Syracuse Engine Co.) and it is perfect/runs great.

I paid $100 for it from an elderly gentleman/collector that advertised it on an engine web site. The old guy collected them and probably didn't know what it was worth. I had already passed up two different, later die-cast flywheel, versions that had been bid up on eBay for almost $1K.

People do continue to locate "barn finds" of great value (although less and less often).

This is one reason I appreciate the Pelican community. A quick post and the first response had the link to the thread with the real scoop.

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by iamtheari

This isn't the first Porsche-in-ND-that's-too-good-to-be-true scam I've read about here on the boards this year. I don't know if it's the oil boom that puts towns in ND in people's minds or if it's the remoteness that makes them think they can get away with it without you trying to look at the car first.

I happen to be fairly close to Stanley and could even justify a work trip there if I set my mind to it.

The car isn't in ND or FL, nor is the seller.

It's no wonder these scams persist.

[ivangene]

while sending out $5k Christmas bonus's - I'll accept one too


need my account number - or should I drop by and pick it up in cash

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by ivangene

while sending out $5k Christmas bonus's - I'll accept one too


need my account number - or should I drop by and pick it up in cash

I'll need you to pay the tax on that bonus first before I can release it. Please send $250 to mombaso_baby_bodango@nigeriamail.com

[b00mslang]

Each time I wrote to the seller, he was quick to respond. Until I offered to "drop by" and drive the car home.

[iamtheari]

Precisely. Nobody is in ND, which makes it easier to avoid potential buyers (or marks, as it were) actually coming to see the car. Who would go to North Dakota in the dead of winter to look at a car? Most people don't even know where ND is on a map. Let the seller know you are having someone come over to look at it and it will all fall apart pretty quick, unless of course the seller has a degree from the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople.

If you find where the seller is actually located, and you have lots of time on your hands, you can always pull one of these on him: The Powerbook Prank: He wanted a Powerbook. We gave him a P-P-P-Powerbook!