Value? | 1984 930 Turbo R.o.W.
 

Just wanting to know how much my car is worth, because i may sell it sometime this year. However im not in a rush.

Its a 1984 930 Turbo Euro spec from France. Imported by Richard Landis, music producer in Nashville, TN.
55.800mi
NON sunroof.
Slate Blue Metallic
Gold BBS wheels were to my knowledge a dealer option.
Spent most of its life in Western NC and Eastern TN.

Exterior: 7/10
-Original Paint
-No rust beides under the windshield wipers (http://i.imgur.com/GmrdKdZ.jpg), which looks to be just surface rust.
-The hood could use a repaint and some dent removal, it looks as though it was hail damaged, it has road rash and 1 big paint chip seen here: (http://i.imgur.com/1cF4Crl.jpg)
-Headlight surrounds are road rashed
-Heated windshield has strange things going on at the sides (http://i.imgur.com/F7HwLLk.jpg)
-NOthing really major, besided a couple small dings and nicks that could easily be solved with some PDR.
-Protected using menzerna powerlock and Swissvax Zuffenhausen.
-Will most likely polish it to remove any fine swirls again once the wax degrades.

Interior: 9/10
-Alsmost stock apart from speakers and stereo
-Rear parcel shelf doesnt seem to align correctly with rear window.
- Dark blue interior
- Custom "Turbo" floor mats, old ones were thrown out, very bad.
- Sports seats
- Pretty clean for the most part, clutch spring replaced recently.

Engine/Gearbox: 6.5/10
- Everything works fine, car pulls good. can have a member confirm.
- There IS an oil leak, not big. replaced a few gaskets already.
- 1 broken headstud i believe.
- It would need rebuilding and resealing eventually
- New warm up Regulator
- Gearbox is fine for the most part, i think my coupler adjustment may be off slightly.

Overall good car. I probably missed something so just ask...

Heres an album with the pics:
930 - Imgur

Short driving clip:
1984 930 Turbo - YouTube
http://youtu.be/yYh0OIRpk4Q
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The color and non sunroof are desirable. The value will be hurt by the motor and lack of Fuchs. Prices are all over the place so its hard to comment but u suspect the pros and cons to average to a middle value car. Maybe 45k? Not sure. It will be a great car after some work

There's the issue of Federalization. Can the car be registered in the buyer's state? Can the buyer get insurance?

These questions make the car valued lower than USDOT-spec cars, for the wider market. For the narrower RoW market, the price will be higher, but the audience will be smaller.

Between $40-50k, considering the condition of the paint, and lack of Fuchs.

Personally i would buy a Euro car over a US car any day. Euro bumpers. Amd the non altered original euro look.

FOr me registering and insurance wasnt a problem at all. NOr do i think it will be in any other state.

You can think that if you like, but registering cars in some of the western states (and some of the northern states) can be tricky if they don't recognize the VIN. And RoW VINs will not necessarily be in their systems.

So, then you will need an inspection. And if the inspector doesn't like the paperwork, guess what?

No registration. And thus, no insurance.

Just because you had no problem in NC doesn't mean that somebody in CA won't get a big "NO!" stamped on their registration request.

I know of two folks in WA state that couldn't get their RoW Porsche's registered without a LOT of legwork. And one of the guys had to hire a lawyer to make it happen.

Well i guess then ill just have to sell it to someone in NC to not worry about any paperwork.

65k

> Gold BBS wheels were to my knowledge a dealer option.

Believe yours in picture are BBS RZ, or similar -wheels of the 1990s.
- they are single piece, cast wheels.

Period BBS RS -wheels are forged, 3-piece split rims, known for their durability and light weight.
- NHL ice hockey goalie, Pelle Lindbergh had them in his 930.

Lovely 930 you have. Wheels are easy to swap to period correct - should you ever want to.

Were the RoW 930's the exact same motor in terms of specs as the US models or were they a little more "peppy"?

i like this

It's a VERY optimistic price for that car. As in "full retail plus markup at a dealer" optimistic.

Yeah i know thats pushing it. i think i may list it for around what you suggested

Any offers welcome. Leaving in may.

A broken headstud on this engine (any engine, really) means it would need rebuilding (at least a top end rebuild) immediately. The effects of boost pressure will f-up the head and cylinder in short order on the jug with a broken stud.

Wheel are easy to swap, all it takes is money. What do a set of correct, (maybe even correct date stamped), 7&9 x 16" Fuchs go for these days?

A "dealer option" could also be pinstripes or curb whiskers. Wide whitewalls. Fuzzy dice. A dealer will put any schit parts on a car for a price and laugh when they keep the more valuable wheels that came on the car. A good example would be all of the chrome plated Fuchs that dealers charged a LOT of extra $$ for back in the '80s. They would ruin your perfect, forged lightweight rims for an extra $1500. I worked at a Porsche dealer and it drove me absolutely bonkers at the time.

Missing Fuchs and cast BBS rims in their place is a ding for whatever a set of correct Fuchs costs. Other than that, I like the car. Slate Blue is a good 930 color. :cool:

I do think it is a 65k car with the engine issues taken care of and a nice set of fuchs. The 84s had 8" rears which are cheaper than the 9's. Add a good detailing and take care of the other issues as well.

It is probably 20k to do all that so that puts you back to 40-45K. It seems like a lot of money for a needs attention car, but I think the color and sunroof delete might get you there.

Well I have heard 2 different opinions on this from many people.

I have heard yours and I have heard that 1 is like nothing. From very knowledgeable porsce people. I have also seen cars with 5 broken driving around. And when taking apart the engine everything was fine with it.

Oops. Forgot, it needs a new voltage regulator.

No disrespect intended, but whoever told you that "1 is like nothing" did not know what they were talking about - completely wrong information. And that is not "opinion" but fact based upon more than 30 years of mechanical experience on my part.

Well anyway even with that in mind, what should i ask for it?

With the head stud, I'm down to $40k, tops.

The engines are exactly the same, but there are some differences to the fuel, ignition and exhaust systems that make the RoW versions "peppier" in OEM state:

1) RoW = no catalytic converter

2) RoW K-Jetronic fuel head is non-Lambda assisted, so delivers a better air/fuel ratio versus the lambda fuel head (US emissions requirement) and computer system . . . injector lines are larger diameter (presumably to flow more fuel).

3) No exhaust air injection system on RoW (drive for it is from the left cam - robs a slight bit of power) or other emissions components that add weight and complexity . . . better distributor advance settings on RoW as they did not use ignition timing to get heat into the cat.

- Interesting points about the two fuel heads - the lambda fuel head has been proven to be capable of flowing more fuel than the RoW fuel head after modification to both (even without changing the injector lines) . . . the RoW fuel head is cast steel (lambda is aluminum) and has much bigger problems with corrosion both inside and out and it also has an all steel, primary diaphragm that gets damaged more easily from fuel pressure spikes (dents in the diaphragm).

The RoW Turbos were rated at slightly higher crank HP, primarily due to the absence of the cat, but the Lambda fuel head on US models is actually a better tuning/modification platform.

P.S. for Eric (in case you are wondering if I missed yer hilarious "Liliputin" comment a couple of days ago) = http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/rude/1/double-finger.gif

Gray Market, funky German body interior color combo, no Fuchs, immediate top end repair and reseal, probable tranny syncros, body work and windshield. Probable inaccurate mileage. Needs everything, $30 tops in this very up 930 market.

Unlike alot of people It being a grey market euro is much more desirable to me than a US car.

And the car is SOLD!! oh man ill miss it now:( i didnt think it was gonna happend today.

Why is a sunroof a negative ?

It's only a negative to the 2% of buyers out there that don't like them, but the rarity of the non-sunroof models makes them seem more "special" to some.

I don't like them. They add weight and complexity. They take away headroom.

If I could get rid of mine, I would in a heartbeat.

Well Eric, you don't count seeing as you don't like tails on 911s either!!! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fi...y-emoticon.gif

Only on a 930. Or on an RS. Everyone else should have naked butt. :)

Oh, and their cars should not have spoilers, nyuk, nyuk.

A sunroof is a bunch of added weight in the worst possible place, up high. Non-sunroof 911s are very desirable to serious enthusiasts as well as people with headroom issues. On even an occasional track car, the extra headroom is helmet room.

What did it actually sell for given the $30k - $65K opinion range ....?

Like this? http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/mo...ping-pants.gif

Serious enthusiasts of what? I'm a serious enthusiast of both the 911 and racing (roadraced motorcycles for 10 years, so I know a bit about the effects of weight and weight distribution), and yet, I really like my Turbo's sunroof .

Sweeping BS generalizations, such as yours above, are always good for a chuckle, so thanks! :p

The offers i was getting ranged from 25-40, but mostly around 30-33k

I ended up trading it straight up for something else.

At least now i know itll get that engine rebuild it deserves :)

I like sunroofs too. They open up and let the sun in, they're nice. I would never buy or not buy a car simply of a sunroof.

But just because we like them, does not mean that non-sunroof cars are very desirable to serious enthusiasts. If you're not aware of this and think that it's "a sweeping BS generalization", then you're just ignorant about the subject. But you raced MCs and you like your sunroof, so there is that.

Where did you guys over here come from, anyways? Chuckles indeed. :)

I'll ask again; "serious enthusiasts" of what, exactly?

Other than the extra tall folks that want to drive/race a 911, the primary reason I've seen given for the non-sunroof appeal is the fact that so few were produced this way (as in 'rare') . . . so if you are saying that they are appealing to people that are seriously enthusiastic about a not-so-common 911 roof option, or people that are enthusiast participants in vintage 911 racing, well I'll give you that, but that is an extremely limited group.

But if you are saying that they are extra desirable to seriously enthusiastic 911 owners in general, well that is indeed a nonsense, BS generalization.

As far as where I came from; spat forth from my mother's womb in 1968. :D

1968 :eek:
I could never imagine being THAT old

Didn't yer mama teach you to respect yer elders, sonny boy?! Watch out, or I might have to b*tch slap you with my cane!!! :D

Come to think of it, your car choice, noted in that other thread, is well deserving of a b*tch slap - get ready to duck and cover! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/pe...y-emoticon.gif

People who are hard core performance types like them because they are lighter. That's all. I think it's kind of insignificant myself.