I understand that - looks very nice!

GR is a very nice color snd very typical for the mid to late 80s cars. Only thing I dont like about it is the fact that there are a lot of them. But that has nothing to do eith the cats, but me being vain :)

I do not understand?
I know many people feel the way you do and prefer to pay a large premium to buy a car from a dealer/flipper who bought it from the owner/driver of the car who listed it for sale on e-bay or CL.
I just do not understand why paying the premium to the dealer/flipper and not being able to talk to the owner driver of the car is better?

Generally, buying from the individual who drove and enjoyed the car is preferable, although my own personal experience says that's not always the case. But, these days, it's becoming more challenging to not to buy from a dealer/flipper. With more of them (flippers) popping up, cash in hand and time to spend constantly surfing for cars to buy/sell, it's become tougher to reach a seller before a car gets snagged.

Most of the specialist dealers in 911's will go over the car first and ensure things are good. They only sell decent cars and stand behind what they sell. A couple even will offer warrantys. IMHO its worth the extra if you intend to keep the car a long time and are not mechanically inclined. I am talking here about proper early 911 specialists with premises and good reputations not some of the shysters coming out of the weeds lately.

Pmax,
Haven't you only bought one car? As such that would be CL listing and seller, singular? Not much on a slice of the actual market.

I have looked at way more than one car listed locally on cl and always had pleasant experiences with the owners showing me their 356, 912 or 911s.
Ebay on the other hand seems to be the place where all the banned sellers end up.

Yes, only one car, a tiny slice of the market, but it's current.
New to the 911 experience, I don't know why it took so long. Was simply looking for a new ride after my honda was almost totalled and somehow stumbled upon the 911... and yes I bought the dream car of my youth.

So you are a fan of e-bay since it has individuals who owned and loved their cars and dealers and flippers.
E-bay also cuts out the flipper who shows up first with cash if the E-bay auction format is followed. I was more wondering why it was a joke?

That makes sense. Buying off e-bay you should pay for a PPI.
So you save having to pay for a PPI buying from a dealer since you already will pay the dealer for that piece of mind.

All E-bay is is a way for a buyer and a seller to meet, I see it no different than a newspaper ad or Craigslist or a sign on the windshield of a car in the parking lot, except flippers can not buy cars out from under you as easy if the rules are followed.

Word of mouth 'a friend of mine is selling his car' is best for the buyer and worst for the seller.
CL has a bigger audience so you will pay more than a word of mouth sell but you have more cars to chose from.
E-bay has a even bigger audience so you will pay more on average there than CL or WofM but you get a larger selection to choose from.
Dealer's you will pay the most and have a good selection also, but not the best selection since the dealer will not sell a car they have not $ interest in.
In my mind, what ever way you meet the seller you should take the same precautions when buying, even if it is a dealer.
I have bought and sold a lot of cars in my time in this hobby and have seen the development of the internet as tool for car transactions and the bottom line to me is, it is always the same at the end, talk to sellers and look at cars, and I personally use all the tools at my disposal to help me do that.
Good luck.

You can end an EBay auction at any time if you get a serious offer you like. eBay does nothing to prevent a flipper from showing up with cash if the seller would rather sell today and be done with it (sans the hassle of a post auction PPI). It's a version of opportunity cost. Would you rather have $25k today, no questions asked, or wait another week, go through the scrutiny of a PPI and maybe get $30k? A lot of guys will take the money and run.

Buying from a dealer gives you peace of mind ?

Anyone notice how the majority of really decent unmolested cars and rare colors are at dealers such as Sloan. They are not picking these up on Ebay or CL. I am thinking they are tight with local PCA chapters and thats how they find so many super low mile cars before they hit the general market. I for example have looked for a super low mile 3.2 Blue coupe and not found one for sale in a year or more but Sloan has found a couple at least and now prices them at 70k.

Do you work for Richard Sloan ? I would take his prices with a grain of salt. Lots of cars are 'sold' for a year, then he has 'bought' them back. Very few cars in his place impressed me. Maybe a couple of hard to come by colors like Wimbledon Green, but nothing in there blew me away. As for his Police Targa that thing needs new rubber seals throughout ...

Read post #64

Santa exists, he really does, and when your tooth falls out if you out it under your pillow you get a Dollar ...its true

I'm not a fan of any channel in the purchase of a car. Doesn't matter who you're dealing with, I'd never attribute better or worse condition to the vehicle they're representing. This comes from an attempted purchase from an owner who loved his car and gave his Indy shop a blank check to maintain it properly. Wound up needing a top end rebuild.

No I don't work for any dealer but I know enough to know the majority of rare colors and low mile cars are at speicalist air cooled dealers. I would also feel more confident buying from one, Holt will even offer a warranty. Plenty of these dealers cars are bringing top dollar and prices are going up to soon be line line with European prices. If you think they are not getting close to asking then how are they staying in business so long?

You consistantly asert cars are overvalued, dealers are crooks and you are smarter then everyone so why not show us some of the low mile rare color cars not at dealers or a similar but cheaper car to the one in your opening post you seem to think is so over priced?

I apologize, I should have said "read and comprehend" Poor communication leads to misunderstanding and then we get this silly response you gave. It is OK I will walk you through my part of this thread.
In post #62 I respond to PMAX statement made in his post #48
"I do not understand?
I know many people feel the way you do and prefer to pay a large premium to buy a car from a dealer/flipper who bought it from the owner/driver of the car who listed it for sale on e-bay or CL.
I just do not understand why paying the premium to the dealer/flipper and not being able to talk to the owner driver of the car is better?" Take note to the part where I ask the question why people want to pay a premium to dealers and not just buy from the owners who listed their cars on E-bay or CL
In post #64 Euro1984 believes dealers give him a piece of mind. answer's that question with a positive for dealers
In post #69 I show I understand his view by restating HIS position in different words.
In post #70 I clearly state my position "In my mind, what ever way you meet the seller you should take the same precautions when buying, even if it is a dealer."
So it should be very clear to you now that my position is to treat all sellers the same regardless if they are dealers and that I use all means at my disposal to find good cars, even E-bay.

Woah life is too short to read such a long & convoluted post. It's simple used car dealer prices are inflated, their warranties generally meaningless and I don't need someone to hold my hand whilst buying a car. I've had and still have Porsches all 911s I haven't overpaid since the very first one. I wouldn't buy from EBay, and I don't need you to walk me through these posts ...

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