Anyone Else Find Rising 911 Values Discouraging?

[McLovin]

I agree, you can still find SC Targas for under $20K. I've seen 2 this week. They both sold within 1 day, though. And neither really were cars I would want. High miles on both (around 200K), one was a salvage title, generally tired and needed paint.

I don't think these sub 20K cars are generally very good values. Assume 19K, but then you have a car that is complete and driving, but with a lot of "issues." It's going to have some cosmetic issues, usually at best "ok" in the paint area, usually no records or history, complete but tired interior, and all those other things that come with a minimally maintained and cared for 38 year old car.

I'd rather spend $6-7K more and get a much, much nicer, lower mile less worn out example.

[Matt Monson]

When I first got involved with these cars just over a decade ago we used to say that all 911SCs were $20k car. You could buy a $20k and do nothing but fluids, pads and basic maintenance for the next half a dozen or more years.

Or you could buy a $10-12k one and expect to sink $8-10k into it (mostly engine, gearbox and cosmetic refurbishment) in the next couple of years.

On a certain level it's too bad that $20k now is more likely to buy you that rough car that's gonna need some love.

[Mike Thomas]

I am the real weirdo in the bunch. About six years ago I bought a beautiful '82 SC Targa for $16k. Over the years I had a lot of work done to it (I'm not a DiYer), clutch, transmission, lots of other stuff. I ended up having about $25k in the car, and assumed I'd never get back that added $9k or so. I enjoyed the car, and it was my dream car, but I found my interest waning over the years.

Here's where it gets interesting: as the prices went up, I got LESS enjoyment out of the car. It started feeling like a "responsibility" since it was so cherry, and was now increasing in value. I'd need to revisit my insurance. I worried about it sitting in my mother-in-law's garage when I couldn't have it here at the house. I drove it even less.

I decided to sell a few months ago, and got $26k for it with very little effort. I basically broke even, which is awesome!

I found I did miss having a toy car, and so went out and bought a lovely 2000 Boxster S for $12k, and have since dumped $5k into it for the usual stuff. This time I KNOW I'm not ever going to see that money again if/when I sell. But somehow I enjoy the car more. It's not just that it is tons more fun to drive (IMO), but that it's also nothing special. There's no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise. Some part of it is surely the novelty, but I'm very happy at this point.

The downside is the near-certain knowledge that I'll most likely never have another 911. I sure have enjoyed the ride, though.

Here's a link to the sale site for my SC, if anyone is interested in what I once had:
1982 Porsche 911 SC For Sale (Sold)

[CountD]

Originally Posted by Mike Thomas

I am the real weirdo in the bunch. About six years ago I bought a beautiful '82 SC Targa for $16k. Over the years I had a lot of work done to it (I'm not a DiYer), clutch, transmission, lots of other stuff. I ended up having about $25k in the car, and assumed I'd never get back that added $9k or so. I enjoyed the car, and it was my dream car, but I found my interest waning over the years.

Here's where it gets interesting: as the prices went up, I got LESS enjoyment out of the car. It started feeling like a "responsibility" since it was so cherry, and was now increasing in value. I'd need to revisit my insurance. I worried about it sitting in my mother-in-law's garage when I couldn't have it here at the house. I drove it even less.

I decided to sell a few months ago, and got $26k for it with very little effort. I basically broke even, which is awesome!

I found I did miss having a toy car, and so went out and bought a lovely 2000 Boxster S for $12k, and have since dumped $5k into it for the usual stuff. This time I KNOW I'm not ever going to see that money again if/when I sell. But somehow I enjoy the car more. It's not just that it is tons more fun to drive (IMO), but that it's also nothing special. There's no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise. Some part of it is surely the novelty, but I'm very happy at this point.

The downside is the near-certain knowledge that I'll most likely never have another 911. I sure have enjoyed the ride, though.

Here's a link to the sale site for my SC, if anyone is interested in what I once had:
1982 Porsche 911 SC For Sale (Sold)

Well put. Thought this was one of the better responses. Times change, cars change, and you change. I like the 'no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise.' Nice post.

[NYNick]

Hmmm. Much to digest here. Mortality? Um, a little too cerebral thinking for me and driving a car.
Selling a 911 and then getting a Boxster? Too staid and boring for my blood. Considering selling a 72 or not driving it. Why?

Consider I just drove 10 hours in a 36 year old car with no air conditioning, cruise control, electric windows, locks, Nav or leather seats in 95 degree weather. All these are in a Boxster, and a Camry for that matter. The Boxster costs more, the Camry about the same optioned up.
I dont want either. I've learned life is too short to settle or worry about what might happen, and for me, this 911 is all I've ever wanted in a car, and it isn't going anywhere.

[Matt Monson]

I am the real weirdo in the bunch. About six years ago I bought a beautiful '82 SC Targa for $16k. Over the years I had a lot of work done to it (I'm not a DiYer), clutch, transmission, lots of other stuff. I ended up having about $25k in the car, and assumed I'd never get back that added $9k or so. I enjoyed the car, and it was my dream car, but I found my interest waning over the years. <br>
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Here's where it gets interesting: as the prices went up, I got LESS enjoyment out of the car. It started feeling like a "responsibility" since it was so cherry, and was now increasing in value. I'd need to revisit my insurance. I worried about it sitting in my mother-in-law's garage when I couldn't have it here at the house. I drove it even less. <br>
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I decided to sell a few months ago, and got $26k for it with very little effort. I basically broke even, which is awesome!<br>
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I found I did miss having a toy car, and so went out and bought a lovely 2000 Boxster S for $12k, and have since dumped $5k into it for the usual stuff. This time I KNOW I'm not ever going to see that money again if/when I sell. But somehow I enjoy the car more. It's not just that it is tons more fun to drive (IMO), but that it's also nothing special. There's no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise. Some part of it is surely the novelty, but I'm very happy at this point. <br>
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The downside is the near-certain knowledge that I'll most likely never have another 911. I sure have enjoyed the ride, though.<br>
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Here's a link to the sale site for my SC, if anyone is interested in what I once had:<br>
<a href="http://911forsale.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com" target="_blank">1982 Porsche 911 SC For Sale (Sold)</a>

Not really a weirdo at all. You describe the IB 911 version of what happened to 356s about ten years ago. Guys bought them. Cared for them and spent more on them than they could get them for. The cars appreciated and the owners got older and wanted something less finicky and comfortable. They sold the cars for what they had in them or a bit more. And bought a more modern luxurious car. Yours is a story as old as Porsches.
And good on you that it worked out for you.

[rw229]

Discouraging as a buyer, yes. As an owner, its nice - if you're selling.

Unfortunately I got into a habit of buying a different car every few years... different model year, coupe, targa, etc. I think those days are over as I have a threshold on what I'm willing to spend on a car that may get only 1-2k per year.

Fortunately my current car is a low mileage, way above average coupe that I bought from a fellow Pelican at a reasonable price. I always look at other cars and they're either not as nice or over priced, so I think this may be my last one unless I find an incredible car below the current market.

Mike's targa above was always one of my favorites on this forum and it sold for a reasonable price.

[nixtfy]

Originally Posted by Mike Thomas

I am the real weirdo in the bunch. About six years ago I bought a beautiful '82 SC Targa for $16k. Over the years I had a lot of work done to it (I'm not a DiYer), clutch, transmission, lots of other stuff. I ended up having about $25k in the car, and assumed I'd never get back that added $9k or so. I enjoyed the car, and it was my dream car, but I found my interest waning over the years.

Here's where it gets interesting: as the prices went up, I got LESS enjoyment out of the car. It started feeling like a "responsibility" since it was so cherry, and was now increasing in value. I'd need to revisit my insurance. I worried about it sitting in my mother-in-law's garage when I couldn't have it here at the house. I drove it even less.

I decided to sell a few months ago, and got $26k for it with very little effort. I basically broke even, which is awesome!

I found I did miss having a toy car, and so went out and bought a lovely 2000 Boxster S for $12k, and have since dumped $5k into it for the usual stuff. This time I KNOW I'm not ever going to see that money again if/when I sell. But somehow I enjoy the car more. It's not just that it is tons more fun to drive (IMO), but that it's also nothing special. There's no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise. Some part of it is surely the novelty, but I'm very happy at this point.

The downside is the near-certain knowledge that I'll most likely never have another 911. I sure have enjoyed the ride, though.

Here's a link to the sale site for my SC, if anyone is interested in what I once had:
1982 Porsche 911 SC For Sale (Sold)

I saw your ad when your car was listed. Loved the color.
I become tempted by other cars (boxster, m coupe, miata) for other reasons. Colorado weather changes in minutes
Don't know How many times I have found myself in rain or snow with no visibility because of a poor defroster.
Cold/hot temperature wondering if I brought the right car that day.
What does tomorrow hold for my 911???

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Mike Thomas

There's no pressure or responsibility, self-inflicted or otherwise.
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Here's a link to the sale site for my SC, if anyone is interested in what I once had:
1982 Porsche 911 SC For Sale (Sold)

That's a beautiful sc targa.

Imo, the unloved sc is definitely a sweet spot of value for the money now.

Thing is there are still daily driver sc's albeit a bit rough but hey no pressure then, available between 10 and 20k so if you want to get back into the 911, there's your ticket.

[wally509]

Originally Posted by Mike Thomas

I am the real weirdo in the bunch. ...

Here's where it gets interesting: as the prices went up, I got LESS enjoyment out of the car. It started feeling like a "responsibility" since it was so cherry, and was now increasing in value. I'd need to revisit my insurance. I worried about it sitting in my mother-in-law's garage when I couldn't have it here at the house. I drove it even less.
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Not at all, you're spot on. I'm in the same boat except I still have the car. I used to drive this car 4-5000 per year, now barely a thousand. We used to go everywhere in that car, now it mostly sits because I'm afraid to pile miles on it. Somebody door dinged me last year and I almost had a heart attack.

I need to get my head on straight, forget about values and start driving again...not sure how to tackle that though.

[bgyglfr]

I have to say that the rise in value has been good in some ways. Many cars that would have been left in a field or parted out are now getting restored. Look at the swb 912s. You can buy a project now and not be so worried about being upside down when it's finished. I love bringing these cars back to life. I used to build homes when I first got out of college. There's a satisfaction in creating something that wasn't there before. I have a regular job now so today I get that satisfaction from restoring these cars.

Yes, some of the more valuable cars are becoming garage queens but most are still being driven. A $50-$70 911T is still within values we see on the road every day (BMW, Mercedes, even trucks and SUVs).

I for one will always drive my cars as they were intended. There's nothing like turning the key of an air cooled 911 after a particularly stressful day, taking some back roads and blowing off a little steam. I'm a better (happier) person when I get back.

[bgyglfr]

I have to say that the rise in value has been good in some ways. Many cars that would have been left in a field or parted out are now getting restored. Look at the swb 912s. You can buy a project now and not be so worried about being upside down when it's finished. I love bringing these cars back to life. I used to build homes when I first got out of college. There's a satisfaction in creating something that wasn't there before. I have a regular job now so today I get that satisfaction from restoring these cars.

Yes, some of the more valuable cars are becoming garage queens but most are still being driven. A $50-$70 911T is still within values we see on the road every day (BMW, Mercedes, even trucks and SUVs).

I for one will always drive my cars as they were intended. There's nothing like turning the key of an air cooled 911 after a particularly stressful day, taking some back roads and blowing off a little steam. I'm a better (happier) person when I get back.

[Rot 911]

I got into 911's long back when you could get them cheap. For example bought a 1972 911T with an E engine back in 2000 for $5700. Then moved on to an '86 911 that I kept for 13 years. But like Mike above, I guess I fell out of love with the 911. Great car, but there are also lots of other fun cars out there. Sold the 911 and bought a Boxster which I worry less about and drive a lot more. Also bought lots of motorcycles and other fun to drive cars. Still love the looks of the 911, but not enough to buy another one at today's prices.

[CountD]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

I got into 911's long back when you could get them cheap. For example bought a 1972 911T with an E engine back in 2000 for $5700. Then moved on to an '86 911 that I kept for 13 years. But like Mike above, I guess I fell out of love with the 911. Great car, but there are also lots of other fun cars out there. Sold the 911 and bought a Boxster which I worry less about and drive a lot more. Also bought lots of motorcycles and other fun to drive cars. Still love the looks of the 911, but not enough to buy another one at today's prices.

So many options out there and so little time. Have to admit that the Boxster and something like the BMW Z3 or 4 have more creature comforts, and can drive incredibly long distances with these comforts (ie working AC, etc) without worry, and parts are inexpensive.

[NYNick]

Wait, a Z3 or Z4 is a good option?

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by NYNick

Wait, a Z3 or Z4 is a good option?

I would love to have a Z4 as my daily driver. Nice cars.

I think I would actually prefer a Boxster, but the Z4 is a nice car.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by CountD

So many options out there and so little time. Have to admit that the Boxster and something like the BMW Z3 or 4 have more creature comforts, and can drive incredibly long distances with these comforts (ie working AC, etc) without worry, and parts are inexpensive.

10 years ago I was offered a no rust 1970 911S with a rotten interiour but ran well for $7,500. For that kind of money I thought I could by a cherry 1987 Toyota MR 2, so I did, it had AC and needed nothing. I got bored with it and went back to a rag early 911 for 5 times more money.
The trick is to know what you really like. Which is a lot tougher than you think.

[NYNick]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

I would love to have a Z4 as my daily driver. Nice cars.

I think I would actually prefer a Boxster, but the Z4 is a nice car.

Heretic!
Burn him! Burn him!

[vracer]

Back in '89 I sold a car for what I thought was a lot of money, and then watched the "value" climb for a year. A couple of years later, I could have bought it back for half of what I sold it for. That is how you spell "bubble".

[Reddy Kilowatt]

Z3 M Coupes and Roadsters are amazing cars and can be had for a song relative to Porsche $.