Prices that make me laugh

[1979-930]

My daughter is a Lego master.
Would you like lessons?







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[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by fhernand

Seriously? Well you got me beat there as I have never attempted such task.

It’s amazing what one can build with legos

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

My daughter is a Lego master.
Would you like lessons?







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Awesome

[fhernand]

Pelican has kindly reminded me of a few rules. I play by the rules. It’s been entertaining guys. Till we meet again. Stay safe, strong and thirsty

[Justin R]

Yea the front fenders look "off"

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

It’s amazing what one can build with legos

now those are some good looking flares.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by Justin R

front fenders look "off"

Hmmmmm

The fenders don't bother as much as.....

The stock brakes, unknown suspension, 207hp motor pushing a heavy wide body.... does it have LSD? What's the story with the cross-eyed headlights, deco trim and the cooling vents...... I do not doubt the craftsmanship of the build; I am disappointed in the build...... what was Freddie thinking? As much as an afficiando he is IMO the essesnce of Porsche sports purpose was missed..... my late Panamera had more sport, my sister's Macan has more sport..... He will find a buyer that it speaks to.....

Can it be salvaged, yes, but to me it has nothing to do with the fenders it is about the mechanicals.....

This is the problem with the hobby I love; it has become about how the "singer/sooner" like looks at Cars&Coffee.....

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by fhernand

Sugarwood, the paint process is by far the most important process of the build. It's one that can't be rushed. To much a stake for a mistake. I started by going with a 55 line base-coat clear coat system versus single stage. Both system are great. The single stage tends to be more robust as it has much more pigments. I decide for Glasurit line as it's proven to be by far a champion. I can't stress enough the importance of cleanliness during the process. I start by changing the booth filters and watering down the walls of the booth. Prior to spraying, two products that are you best friends namely, tack cloth and high end paint wax/grease cleaner to wipe down the entire car. I always spray a sealer for adhesion between the paint and primer. After sealer comes the most exciting process, the spraying of the color. Base coat sprays on in a medium wet fashion. No need to load it up with paint as Glasurit covers quickly in three coats. The high gloss clear goes on last. Taking it easy. I put on my headphones and chill.

I assumed all shops use two stage paint.
Do any shops actually do single stage?
Nowadays, even guys at home using SprayMax tend to use separate cans for base and clear.

What brand wax/grease remover do you use?

So, you shoot primer, then sealer, and then base?
What brand of sealer do you tend to use?

Do you shoot all 3 of your base coats the same way?
Is the first base coat more dry or heavy?
Is the last base coat more dry or heavy?

How long do you wait between the last base coat and first clear coat?
How many coats of clear do you use?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Hmmmmm

The fenders don't bother as much as.....

The stock brakes, unknown suspension, 207hp motor pushing a heavy wide body.... does it have LSD? What's the story with the cross-eyed headlights, deco trim and the cooling vents...... I do not doubt the craftsmanship of the build; I am disappointed in the build...... what was Freddie thinking? As much as an afficiando he is IMO the essesnce of Porsche sports purpose was missed..... my late Panamera had more sport, my sister's Macan has more sport..... He will find a buyer that it speaks to.....

Can it be salvaged, yes, but to me it has nothing to do with the fenders it is about the mechanicals.....

Yep. I fully agree. The looks are personal but the mechanicals aren’t enough for anything but a sheeper.

As for Legos? We’ve got all the kits that have been shown so far. If Freddie wanted to get me a set it would need to be the GT3 technic one. I’m not easily impressed.

[Macroni]

Here is my 73 3.2L "Stitch" banging around New Hampshire covered in dust...



Monde driving his 75 2.7MFI cannonball style cross country w/ the boys..... every inch of the car massaged for performance



Driving with the boys on the way to West Virginia (excellent roads w/ very understanding Officers of the law). Black car is Dr Dave's 3.6L powered widebody, coilovers, turbo brakes, upgraded cooling. This build was also on an 86 Carrera base. Mike D's 67 912/6 sporting a freshly built 2.8L, SWB insanity




It's about utilizing all your upgrades......in these scenarios paint has the least importance

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I assumed all shops use two stage paint.
Do any shops actually do single stage?

Focusing as we do on early 911's, we end up shooting single stage Glasurit almost exclusively and we love it. We're far from alone. The best shops restoring early 911's almost all use single stage when it's factory correct (which is most of the time). Now, building a hotrod is a completely different story...

[sugarwood]

Look at how low this fender flare is.
Let's hear everyone trash this car even worse than the blue one.
Who's got the balls to be first ?



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1079080-does-anyone-know-anything-about-car.html

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

Focusing as we do on early 911's, we end up shooting single stage Glasurit almost exclusively and we love it. We're far from alone. The best shops restoring early 911's almost all use single stage when it's factory correct (which is most of the time). Now, building a hotrod is a completely different story...

“almost all use it” is not an accurate statement among porsche restorers. Base/clear is far superior and looks the same. Do you use it purely for “bragging rights” as I see no real advantages other than it’s easier and cheaper? Clear is more durable, has greater UV protection, most clears have healing properties, polishes better, much more repair friendly. The list is long

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

“almost all use it” is not an accurate statement among porsche restorers. Base/clear is far superior and looks the same. Do you use it purely for “bragging rights” as I see no real advantages other than it’s easier and cheaper? Clear is more durable, has greater UV protection, most clears have healing properties, polishes better, much more repair friendly. The list is long

It's absolutely a true statement and single stage does not look the same if you know what you're looking at. It's subtle but I can tell the difference nearly all of the time. And, yes, the very best shops use single stage for their early cars because it's expected in the marketplace. I'm a buyer of these cars - always looking for the best of the best - and an early non-metallic color in base/clear would raise serious eyebrows at the top of the market.

I don't disagree that modern multi-stage products are superior in many ways. They're just not correct.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

It's absolutely a true statement and single stage does not look the same if you know what you're looking at. It's subtle but I can tell the difference nearly all of the time. And, yes, the very best shops use single stage for their early cars because it's expected in the marketplace. I'm a buyer of these cars - always looking for the best of the best - and an early non-metallic color in base/clear would raise serious eyebrows at the top of the market.

I don't disagree that modern multi-stage products are superior in many ways. They're just not correct.

I completely understand what you are referring to with early single stage metallics, but we are now getting mostly into 356s than 911s but those can also be replicated by a knowledgeable painter with base clear. If you understand the reason why single stages look the way they do you can duplicate that with base clear. Im willing to bet most of those “very best” shops are super old school and that has more to do with it than it does being the best of the best. I can think of 3 spyder, 904/906, carrera restorers that use base clear off the top of my head.

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I completely understand what you are referring to with early single stage metallics, but we are now getting mostly into 356s than 911s but those can also be replicated by a knowledgeable painter with base clear. If you understand the reason why single stages look the way they do you can duplicate that with base clear. Im willing to bet most of those “very best” shops are super old school and that has more to do with it than it does being the best of the best. I can think of 3 spyder, 904/906, carrera restorers that use base clear off the top of my head.

I wasn't referencing early single stage metallics. I mentioned early 911 metallics because they were almost always base/clear as opposed to solids that were almost always single stage way up until the 80's. As for "old school", yes, I think many of the best shops are. But mostly because it's what the market demands and it's correct.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

I wasn't referencing early single stage metallics. I mentioned early 911 metallics because they were almost always base/clear as opposed to solids that were almost always single stage way up until the 80's. As for "old school", yes, I think many of the best shops are. But mostly because it's what the market demands and it's correct.

Sorry I misread your comment. In regards to solid colors if both are highly polished they look exactly the same. I think you are putting too much emphasis on it for whatever reason. Like I said cars in the double digit millions are being restored in base/clear without a frown from those that are building and buying them. It’s one of those old school stigmas

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

Sorry I misread your comment. In regards to solid colors if both are highly polished they look exactly the same. I think you are putting too much emphasis on it for whatever reason. Like I said cars in the double digit millions are being restored in base/clear without a frown from those that are building and buying them. It’s one of those old school stigmas

I completely disagree. Single stage paint is overwhelmingly preferred by those of us buying the very best early cars. Want proof? Head on over to the ESR and ask away. See how many of the members are having their own cars done in base/clear. Wait. I'll save you the time: Not very many.

And, again, the vast majority of the best early car restorers do a lot of single stage paint work. Carparc, Esposito, CPR, Road Scholars, and on and on. Europe is another matter but that's only because single state paint has been outlawed in most of Europe.

As for them looking "exactly the same", I'll just chalk that up to you being a collision guy.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

I completely disagree. Single stage paint is overwhelmingly preferred by those of us buying the very best early cars. Want proof? Head on over to the ESR and ask away. See how many of the members are having their own cars done in base/clear. Wait. I'll save you the time: Not very many.

And, again, the vast majority of the best early car restorers do a lot of single stage paint work. Carparc, Esposito, CPR, Road Scholars, and on and on. Europe is another matter but that's only because single state paint has been outlawed in most of Europe.

As for them looking "exactly the same", I'll just chalk that up to you being a collision guy.

I was a restoration guy long before a collision guy. I think we have a different idea of who the top restorers are as several you mentioned I wouldn’t dare source as a data point of what’s best. Similar to your taste in politics we’ll have to agree to disagree or I can chalk it up to you being a men’s monthly subscription guy.

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by nathanbs

I was a restoration guy long before a collision guy. I think we have a different idea of who the top restorers are as several you mentioned I wouldn’t dare source as a data point of what’s best. Similar to your taste in politics we’ll have to agree to disagree or I can chalk it up to you being a men’s monthly subscription guy.

And the owner of 50+ Porsches.

Almost 3 millions members, $36 average monthly shipment, you do the math, dip****.