Wayne,

First, thanks for providing a fantastic resource for all things air cooled and more. I am a long time poster and long time customer of Pelican Parts. Certainly as the owner of this space your word is final.

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The one theme I have tried to convey in my posts is simple. Don’t give anyone a reason to bash business practices, especially if you’re a business who uses this free space for ecommerce.

When you post that you bought the car from the original owner make sure it’s not still on another dealer’s website. I am not going to list other examples of misrepresentation or even callout any dealer in particular. I don’t expect a follow through of posting pictures of the paint meter readings, although after the last debacle that’s exactly what we were told would happen in the future. When a car has been repainted and/or panels have been repainted then be upfront about it. If not in your listings all over the internet, at least on the ones on this forum. This is a targeted environment filled with enthusiasts and many of them know these cars better than most if not all sellers. It’s not likely you’ll fool the crowd here.

It’s really simple…. Sellers just might want to think twice about the use of such transparent fallacies when marketing to a knowledgeable audience. If that’s the case then no one here, including myself, will have anything negative to say. If it happens once, so be it, chalk it up to a mistake. When it’s repeated so often it becomes clear that this sort of thing is a standard business practice for a seller then, yea, maybe it should be called out by the community here.

As far as sights like yelp, google and others go in terms of reviews. They’re fine for simple products and services where the seller/provider has dozens of reviews. Unfortunately for a business like selling classic cars, the system is easily manipulated and can easily be populated with phony reviews. There are even companies who, for a fee, will periodically post new glowing reviews.

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Are you a used car dealer yourself ?

No Sir. Just a Porsche enthusiast.

We are all enthusiasts, Luxsport included.

Only some are in it just to make money.

I have no problem with dealers or private party sellers making money....we all know it's been quite a profitable business model buying and reselling 911's the past 3 years or so.

I just feel like if any business is being called out for being a shyster over and over again, it should be fair game to discuss it on the forum without it getting deleted.

The thing is, I think you're actually dumb enough to believe that.

You really are quite dim. Did you realize that all original paint is actually worth something, in monetary terms? And that claiming all original paint and/or no accidents is essentially the same as theft? Because people pay more for all original paint and clean accident history. Surely you're not such a slow wit as to assume that all cars are equal everywhere, and that collector cars have the same rules as daily drivers when it comes to value, right?

I just don't like to see people getting duped by outfits like the one we've discussed.

As I said many times over the years here about these kinds of dealers. You can buy a car from them.... if they have the "one" you want, it cant hurt to look. Just go in with your eyes wide open. I have never said "don't buy from x".

Just the same as people were being hurt by mm, I would hate to see people from the forum get taken by any business.

With all due respect to Wayne, I am not going to post specifics any longer. Should someone else get taken by one of these dealers that may change.

Wayne provides a FREE place for these people to conduct ecommerce, maybe they're the ones who should show that same respect to our host?

MM destroyed these cars. As enthusiasts, that matters.

Someone pays too much to a dealer ? Who cares. I'm sure that 964 drives just as well with or without the repaint.

I agree with you, what they pay is their business. If someone wants to pay more than what I think is "fair value" go4it. I don't set the market. It’s none of my business.

Now if what they're buying is misrepresented here on this forum then maybe we should call out the outfit who misrepresented the car?


That’s all I am saying.


Not every motor built by MM blew up or was a total POS.

Supposed someone sent their motor to that place. When they got it back it appeared okay, MM said it was totally rebuilt and they used X, Y, and Z parts. 200 miles into running it you find it’s not as they claimed and now you have to put a whole lot of additional funds into it. I don’t see that as a whole lot different than advertising a car as "pristine" or "all original paint" and then getting the car to find it’s neither.

If you see things differently that’s okay, I respect that.


I have had plenty of PM's from that dealer threatening legal action against me. That’s okay too, there is no basis for legal action. I am not intimidated by them. All I have done is point out the inaccuracies of their for sale posts.

Wayne asked that people not call out that dealer anymore and as far as I am concerned he has the final word.

Calling out the misrepresentation is good but almost all dealer and flipper ads have some sort of misrepresentation.

Are you calling out everyone else as well ?


The difference is MM devalued these cars. In other words, they left the cars in a worse shape than before they had their hands on them.

Luxsport is not guilty of that.

I have called out others in the past. Dig up some of those VMC threads. I wish I still had the phony cease and desist order that Robert from VCM sent to my PM box. Really? A C&D order to an anonymous forum member’s pm box…. Priceless, it was hysterical.

I do see the distinction you're making.

I guess I find what this dealer does particularly egregious. It’s almost comical at times when the car they are boasting about is still on the other dealer’s site.

I agree with your point, these guys don’t actually damage the cars, and they’re not potentially depleting the volume of cars out there.

Except the distinction he's making is artificial. Whether or not a service provider steals money by not performing needed repairs, or by substituting substandard parts or stealing money by misrepresenting the car as a certain condition when it isn't, the end result is exactly the same. The idea that some sealer is an "enthusiast" (LMAO) or "they all do it" is about as idiotic as an argument gets. No, they don't "all do it." I know for a fact that techweenie honestly represents all the cars he sells. He is actually an enthusiast, not merely a niche dealer. So this idiotic argument that we shouldn't ever discuss shady stuff done by sellers and resellers of cars is assinine. Hey, pmax - if you don't want to read the stuff, figure out how to use your software, and take your netcop crap and stuff it.

Yeah, I have seen that thread. One of them is lying :)

Certainly, buyer beware when it comes to these guys.

But hey, anyone who walk into a dealership believing every word is just a fool.

You are assuming the backwards position as usual.

Never said we shouldn't discuss misrepresenting ads.

Then your whole position is decidedly retarded. You should have shut up while you were behind.

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

George Bernard Shaw

Thanks Wayne.....You are a CLASS act and I like the way you run your SHOW...