confused in values of old 911s

[928911]

Hi, I'm new to Pelican forum. I sometimes watch adds of old 911s like 1969 and 1970 and I'm astonished by how high and fast the value of these cars raised.
My question is to know how much a 911T like mine would worth. To determine the value, because it's not original is a bit confusing for me. It's a 1970 with a 1986 Turbo look. I know it's just a clone but it should certainly have a good value? The interior has been redone a few years ago and is in excellent condition. It has BBS wheels with upgraded front calipers and disks. The paint itself has cost around $8000 and is metallic blue (not original of course). It has the whale tail. heat ducts have been removed to leave space for headers and exhaust (incredible sound). The car has 100 000 miles and the 2.2 runs great with Weber carbs.
Just to be clear, this is not an ad. I don't want to sell it. It's just to help get an approximate value for a non original but a very nice piece of 911.
Any help will be welcome.

[Spumato]

Well, anytime you take away originality and make it look like something else the value drops. I am not understanding why you would take a 70's car and forward date it. The vehicles from the 80's have less value as more units were manufactured with an increasing number as time progressed. If you still have the original bits, I believe there is more functional value in restoring the 1970. A well sorted 1970T should be insurance valued for replacement costs at around $100,000 minimum. And I would think or believe a converted non-original numbers matching forward looking car would bring far less, like $40,000 - $50,000 speculatively. Sorry to burst any bubble here, I just don't understand the direction.

[928911]

I understand your point of view. I'm not the one who upgraded the car to a 1986 look. I bought it and kept this look cause I did nt had the ressources to restore it like new and cause it pleased me much like that. 930s were already non affordable at the time I bought my 911. You did nt burst any bubble but helped me. I had no idea of how much it could worth. $40 to 50k is nt bad😉
Thanks

[Spumato]

It still is a Porsche, and it brings a smile to your face each time you drive it. And that my friend is priceless!

[timmy2]

So, one tradition on this forum is to post photos of your car when you first join or post.
Let's see what you are talking about.

[cknaak]

Pictures would be helpful. I would say your car is probably worth between 30-40k depending on originality of interior, rust issues, and wether it's #s matching. With the prices of early 911s where they are a person buying your car would most likely be converting it back to its original form. Parts are expensive and the fewer original parts on the car the more expensive it will be to restore.

[Joe Bob]

Start collecting parts when they come up and take your time.

[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by Spumato

And I would think or believe a converted non-original numbers matching forward looking car would bring far less, like $40,000 - $50,000 speculatively.

no way.. more like 28K, if that... The updated body will really hurt its value. We are starting to see many of these come back down closer to reality again finally.. (even though they are still high compared to a few years ago). I know of three personal friends who repsectively got a complete but non running '72 for $21K, and all original '83 turbo for $62K and a complete '77 with 3.2 engine for $26K all within the last 2-3 weeks..

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

no way.. more like 28K, if that... The updated body will really hurt its value. We are starting to see many of these come back down closer to reality again finally.. (even though they are still high compared to a few years ago). I know of three personal friends who repsectively got a complete but non running '72 for $21K, and all original '83 turbo for $62K and a complete '77 with 3.2 engine for $26K all within the last 2-3 weeks..

I agree...

No one is saying it but the rapid price escalation in all things air cooled has stopped. The nicest of the nice or the rarest of the rare may be an exception; however, in my opinion the market is cooling.

Prices won't go down to where there were just a few years ago; but, they are on their way down.

Regarding the OP....without pictures it's hard to value a car. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Pictures help sort that out.

[901toPDK]

35k if #s matching.
The new owner will need to weigh the costs to bring it back to period correct.

That will be 30-35k minimum.

Since a 911T is only worth $65-70 in great condition you can't ask much more.

That said- if you find a buyer that likes it as is, and maybe wants to make a hot rod by updating the 2.2 engine then 40k may be doable. The wide body work is already done and that may be very appealing to someone.

All you need is one interested party.

[gearby]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

got a complete but non running '72 for $21K.

There must have been some major issues with that 72. It must have been an absolute rust bucket and in horrendous shape. you can't touch a complete 1972 in halfway decent shape even if it isn't running for less than 40 grand.

[gearby]

Originally Posted by rattlsnak

and all original '83 turbo for $62K and a complete '77 with 3.2 engine for $26K all within the last 2-3 weeks..

With regards to these other two cars a 1983 turbo is a grey market car and a modded unoriginal 77 isn't going to go for much, so those two I could see but a complete 72 for 21 K, I would have to see the car. if that's true there was a reason It only went for 21 K.

[928911]

Thank's a lot for help and comments. Like I wrote this baby is not for sale photos are not near! The time I put my hand on them I'll give this link of a very short video of my car uploaded in 2009 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BIXgJ0CZo0

The car has no rust at all and interior upholstery and seats are mint.

[928911]

OK Third try, I finally found photos. Sorry they are not the best.











I'm allergic to rust so the car is absolutely rust free. Interior and seats are mint

[928911]

I posted 2 answers before my pix with a link to a short video showing my car cause I did'nt find my photos yet but they had to be approved by moderator.

[ficke]

25- 30k

[73.5TinPA]

For collector car insurance purposes, you might consider a 'stated value' of $35K.
It would probably cost around that much to replace.

[928911]

Thank you guys

[pmax]

Originally Posted by 928911

Those are massive pipes.

[928911]

Yep and like I wrote the exhaust makes incredible sound

By the way anybody knows what I have to do or procedures to know how to get the infos for match numbers? I already found a link somewhere at Porsche in Germany but it's around 10 or 15 years ago and I don't remember