1973 Hot Rod

matt930s · matt930s's Garage

What is the general consensus on this car? Price? Condition?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/926646-1973-hot-rod-109-000-a.html

MattR

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

First thing I noticed is that the right side mirror is mounted in the wrong spot, so is useless (not that a Durant works very well, anyway).

Color change with new color flaking off.

Rust streaks coming from sunroof drain holes.

Rust in fender is certainly not the 'only place.' I would want to check the rear shelf and the rear seat buckets for integrity (ice pick or screwdriver probing).

Something bad at lower front edge of driver's door - maybe flaring from a broken door stop?

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Engine case could be worth $40K or more by itself. Would require all 1964 parts - chain boxes, solexes, etc. to be a $70K engine.

Decent 73 sunroof coupe rolling shell is a $40K item all day long.

Lots of good stuff on the car, and likely super well sorted (a dollar/time consideration a lot of people underestimate).

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The car has been repriced at $89K and I think that is a deal.

1979-930 · 1979-930's Garage

It was originally Sepia. Yuck.
It has rust and a worn paint job now.
The engine. Aluminum, rare, whatever, it's too small.
There is really nothing special about the car to me.
I think it would attract a Magnus Walker "wanna be" type, but they don't have $109k or $89k for a car.

SalParadise · 10-13-2016, 08:35 AM

Without picking it apart, it's way high, even at $89K.

1) I would buy it and sell the motor to someone who really cares and really needs it. It has no business being in that chassis. It's now a concourse engine and museum engine to the right person.
2) The chassis is average.
3) The Magnus Walker look-alike body looks tired and a cheap slap-dash replica of a replica. I don't know where that gets you in Porsche circles nowadays.

On another note it's pretty awesome what he did for his father. When I scrolled through fast I thought it was Frank Sinatra behind the wheel of the blue car.

For someone who could get it for $70K, flip the motor, take off the Magnus hood and hang it in the garage it might be worthwhile. Too many of these things in the market and now it's almost Christmas. It's not turnkey by any means. If it's patina you want, buy a better one and put it there yourself.

Matt Monson · 10-13-2016, 08:38 AM

Trying to remember where I previously saw this car. I think it's a flip that isn't getting the kind of price the flipper expected.

Fubawu · 10-13-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Trying to remember where I previously saw this car. I think it's a flip that isn't getting the kind of price the flipper expected.

Not a flip Matt, I've seen this car in person and chatted with the owner a few times at local events. It is a really well done car. The engine is strong and well prepped. Body is
not rough but has been allowed to rough up a bit for that "outlaw" look. Sounds good looks good. It was one of my favorite cars at this years Hershey event.

Car was a sepia matching numbers car for sale on here a couple years back.

At 89K its a solid car but a high ticket price limits buyers. It should sell near that number.

Rawknees'Turbo · 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by matt930s

What is the general consensus on this car?

It looks like one could do a good job of scaring baby wabbits wiff that anorexic thing!

Much better than when non-hot-rodded, however (except for the hood and horn grill lights which look most cheezy and dumba').

gearby · 10-13-2016, 02:23 PM

Valuing that engine case at 40K is a bit of a stretch. Early yes but opened up to 2.5 liters brings the case value down.

SalParadise · 10-13-2016, 05:45 PM

I think most people have lost their mind when $109K or $89K seems like a selling price and bargain for a car that is not original, modded, wrong engine, painted AKA Magnus, and the list goes on. I look at that car and see a car that I could do and come in lower. I don't need a '64 engine that has been modded, don't need that story in a chassis ten years newer. I wish the guy luck and I'm sure it's nice, but at the end of the day really?

JamesDavies · 10-14-2016, 12:10 AM

Love the look, but have a feeling it looks better in the photos than in reality.

Price seems steep but then again step prices are becoming the norm these days!

christiandk · christiandk's Garage

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Originally Posted by 1979-930

It was originally Sepia. Yuck.
It has rust and a worn paint job now.
The engine. Aluminum, rare, whatever, it's too small.
Thee is really nothing special about the car to me.
I think it would attract a Magnus Walker "wanna be" type, but they don't have $109k or $89k for a car.

Amen!

chal_saaeng_gin · 10-14-2016, 02:55 AM

If you were looking for a 73 Hot Rod type here is one the seems to be done right, $10K less asking price and guess what, not selling very easily.

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?124745-FS-1973-911-st-3-0l-twin-plug

If I was looking for a 73 it wouldn't be a bastardized Sepia car. Just goes to show you, you need to be very careful spending a ton of money modifying a car, then having a change of heart and trying to unload it. I think the seller would be very lucky to get $59K.

matt930s · matt930s's Garage

^^^ Classic hot rod. I'm not crazy about the dash or color, but that's a hell of a car.

MattR

trader220 · 10-14-2016, 06:14 AM

The yellow car on the early S reg is pretty sweet. The car in question here for 10 grand more just looks like its over priced compared.

Fubawu · 10-14-2016, 07:23 AM

Guys you are missing the engine fact, it costs a fortune to build a SS 2.5. It's done right, that being said the yellow 73 is a nice car as well. If I put the two side by side I'm going for the early Aluminum case (very early) over a 3.0. In terms of sum of their parts there is a lot of value in that.

The fact these cars aren't selling is because they are still slightly over priced. I think if the Sepia car was priced at 89k when it came out it would have sold. When you over price the ad goes stale.

1979-930 · 1979-930's Garage

^^^ Value is an individual opinion.
I think there are a limited number of people that share your opinion on the engine adding value to a car like that. If it's a hot rod I want more displacement not rare and less displacement. That reduces the number of buyers for the car.

Rawknees'Turbo · 10-14-2016, 08:21 AM

Agreed with Deez ^^^; I wouldn't want a 911 with an engine that small, and definitely not in a hotrod, regardless of what went into the build or its original rarity (aka - the engine in that car doesn't add value for me).

Matt Monson · 10-14-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fubawu

Guys you are missing the engine fact, it costs a fortune to build a SS 2.5. It's done right, that being said the yellow 73 is a nice car as well. If I put the two side by side I'm going for the early Aluminum case (very early) over a 3.0. In terms of sum of their parts there is a lot of value in that.

The fact these cars aren't selling is because they are still slightly over priced. I think if the Sepia car was priced at 89k when it came out it would have sold. When you over price the ad goes stale.

The engine was a fortune to build but the second you run it you don't get most of that cost back. I think if this were a 66 or 67 people would be gaga over the motor. But it's a 73. Totally different beast.

pmax · pmax's Garage

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Originally Posted by chal_saaeng_gin

If you were looking for a 73 Hot Rod type here is one the seems to be done right, $10K less asking price and guess what, not selling very easily.

FS: 1973 911 st 3.0l twin plug

The same car

Porsche 911 St | eBay

Fubawu · 10-14-2016, 02:48 PM

I guess it's the racer in me that sees these small cc engines as
gems. Interesting info guys. For me a 3.0 lump that revs to 6500 seems a little pedestrian but then again I rarely drive any of these on the street. Makes sense that torque would be a selling feature on the road