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yazhound 05-04-2017 07:14 AM

Value 68 912 matching numbers?
 
I have a 68 912 that my father purchased new in Germany, picked up at Porsche. Have all the original documents including bill of sale and what amounted to a "window sticker" It underwent a full to metal refurbish with color change in 1979 from Bahama yellow to Burgundy. The paint is now crazed in some areas. Never in MVA. Interior all original and in good shape but not perfect. Engine needs work, at least top end but runs.

This car was my father's daily driver for many years. It has about 150k on it. Has been garage stored since taken off the road.

Matt Monson 05-05-2017 04:52 AM

Don't listen to Mad Max.

Post some pictures, but it sounds like a low $20s car.

thamlin000 05-05-2017 05:56 AM

I agree, around $20k if there are no major rust areas at structural locations. I've see some nice drivers sell $30-$40k recently.

yazhound 05-05-2017 06:02 AM

Thanks for the input! I am really looking to sell per se. Just wondering since I have seen such a spread for cars that seem to be in very poor shape. This car has if any very little rust. After the restoration (body and paint) in 1979 it was driven for a year and then garaged as we moved to Japan. Afterwards was on the road for about a year, mostly in Florida.

Matt Monson 05-05-2017 06:37 AM

Paint will be $10K. Engine work will be $10k. Subtract that from $40k high market and you've got your car.

matt930s 05-05-2017 07:17 AM

You should keep that car. Fantastic family history. The original color is highly desirable.

MattR

yazhound 05-05-2017 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 9576631)
You should keep that car. Fantastic family history. The original color is highly desirable.

MattR

I agree. Funny, we moved to Minnesota in '75 and the house they bought had siding nearly the same color. His friend's joked that he bought a house to match the car.

Not sure why the color change....

One thing I always like in that car is the Becker Europa with the short wave band on it. I remember riding and listening to stations in other countries... very cool.

matt930s 05-05-2017 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yazhound (Post 9576737)
I agree. Funny, we moved to Minnesota in '75 and the house they bought had siding nearly the same color. His friend's joked that he bought a house to match the car.

Not sure why the color change....

One thing I always like in that car is the Becker Europa with the short wave band on it. I remember riding and listening to stations in other countries... very cool.

How about some pics of the 68?

My 67 912 was repainted by the PO to polo red prob 30 years ago, the original color is gulf blue. I also have the Becker radio. Still works great.
The PO owned the car for over 30+ years.



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1494006281.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1494006281.jpg

Rawknees'Turbo 05-05-2017 11:56 PM

^^^

Both hands on the wheel when yer traveling at yer 912's maximum velocity like that, Phatt!

Nick Triesch 05-07-2017 12:29 PM

Paint for $10,000? Top end for $10,000? For a 356 motor??? Are you kidding me? I could find a 1600 CC VW motor and pop it in and I know a guy in San Diego who could paint it real nice for $3000. ( respray for the snoots).

Rick Brooklyn 05-07-2017 12:35 PM

More like $20k for a real good repaint

Matt Monson 05-07-2017 12:55 PM

I don't generally equate "I know a guy" with giving someone a reasonable expectation of what servicing these things costs.

matt930s 05-07-2017 01:10 PM

:)

Rawknees'Turbo 05-07-2017 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 9579018)
:)

***forum mancrush***

Nick Triesch 05-07-2017 02:03 PM

I guess my point is why would anyone spend $10,00, $20,000 on a 912 paint job? It's a 0-60 in 14 second dog. A U-Haul trailer is more fun.

Matt Monson 05-07-2017 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch (Post 9579061)
I guess my point is why would anyone spend $10,00, $20,000 on a 912 paint job? It's a 0-60 in 14 second dog. A U-Haul trailer is more fun.

Why would anyone spend that on a 356? Or an old MG? Or an Alfa. Or a Packard? People like their old cars and are willing to pay to make them nice. I remember when 356 guys were paying $10k for a show paint job when $5-6k was average. And 356s were only worth $15-20k back then.

juanbenae 05-07-2017 02:41 PM

officer pmax shewing away another 912 guy to their room.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1494196808.gif


he still begrudges my purchase to "tech" article thread....

Nick Triesch 05-07-2017 02:50 PM

OK but I cannot believe you included the MG. They mostly spent time in the garage or driveway oozing fluids and electricity! Really.

matt930s 05-07-2017 02:52 PM

Officer p-utz...

MattR

matt930s 05-07-2017 02:58 PM

0-60 is around 10-11 seconds, same as the 911 L...have you ever spent time behind the wheel of a 912? Very balanced, lots of fun in everyday driving....

Now you realize most modern mini-vans will smoke many older 911's? 0-60 around 7s for a Honda Oddesy....

MattR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch (Post 9579061)
I guess my point is why would anyone spend $10,00, $20,000 on a 912 paint job? It's a 0-60 in 14 second dog. A U-Haul trailer is more fun.


skyboy 05-07-2017 03:07 PM

For what it's worth I just paid high 20s for a 1968 912 numbers matching original owner hard window targa. It was used as a daily driver,plenty or wear and tear. One repaint original color because it was in an accident 25 plus years ago. 10k since engine rebuild. I'm about to put 5k into , bushings, interior .... Some say I over paid , others think I paid fair , some say I got a steal. It has some rust , came with folders of documentation dating back to original bill of sale. i wanted a 912 hard window targa and paid what I could afford. Sounds like your car is similar except a coupe and engine work. Find the right buyer and it will sell. Low 20s sounds fair from my recent experience.

matt930s 05-07-2017 03:11 PM

For my homie Nick:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1494198655.png

Rawknees'Turbo 05-07-2017 03:17 PM

Notice the 3.3L Turbo torque output compared to any other car on Phatt's list - that's wut I call a real azz whoopin', boyz (and in neutered, stock trim, none the less - way more torque when simple mods are done). Getcha' suummmm!!!!

pmax 05-07-2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 9579132)

Nice chart.

See, the 912 is such blast and sounds like **** to boot.

Might as well put a VW engine in there, oh wait ....

Rawknees'Turbo 05-07-2017 03:29 PM

***post count***

Rick Brooklyn 05-07-2017 03:59 PM

Whatever

pmax 05-07-2017 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn (Post 9579182)
Whatever

Sigh...

$20K is a lot to spend on a driver level p-car, yes ?

matt930s 05-07-2017 04:07 PM

Here's the whole chart Rawkness :

Porsche 911 Performance figures and specifications

MattR

Rick Brooklyn 05-07-2017 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9579193)
Sigh...

$20K is a lot to spend on a driver level p-car, yes ?

It is.

Matt Monson 05-07-2017 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9579141)
You need to stop drinking whatever you have been drinking.

He's just parroting what Richard Newton keeps posting on Rennlist.

Rick Brooklyn 05-07-2017 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9579267)
He's just parroting what Richard Newton keeps posting on Rennlist.


Nope, I got an actual quote from a top shop, which in fact was higher than $20k, but I rounded it down thinking you can probably get a similar job done for cheaper.

Milesaway 05-07-2017 05:50 PM

Yes a perfect repaint will be $20k but can get an ok job for $5k. Yes turbos are way faster but 912's are way more fun to drive. I have both and various 911's and my 68 912 is by my fav car of them all. The OP car sounds like a high teen car.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-07-2017 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milesaway (Post 9579307)
. . . Yes turbos are way faster but 912's are way more fun to drive. I have both and various 911's and my 68 912 is by my fav car of them all. The OP car sounds like a high teen car.

That is 100% dependent on how one defines fun. I've driven plenty of slow, sporty cars (such as Opel GTs and 914s - never driven a 912 though), and twittering around in a nimble lil' buzz box is something I no longer consider fun (it was fun until I discovered horsepower, then the fun of those type machines disappeared). Plenty of folks like that type of motoring, though, and there's nothing wrong with that (***forum snorkling***), but to me it is much more fun to operate a machine with biggish power and acceleration, even when it is difficult to safely, and legally, use all that speed.

Matt Monson 05-07-2017 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Brooklyn (Post 9579287)
Nope, I got an actual quote from a top shop, which in fact was higher than $20k, but I rounded it down thinking you can probably get a similar job done for cheaper.

I was just teasing. You can spend 6 figures on paint and body for the right job but it needs to be the right car.

Rawknees'Turbo 05-07-2017 06:43 PM

^^^

***forum tease***

yazhound 05-08-2017 06:45 AM

Thanks for all the comments. The car has sentimental value ... lots of it. So likely not selling unless in a crunch. I just picked up my 88 911 from Pat Williams in Memphis on Saturday who did an engine rebuild, Euro spec and did the AC so it really works. Straight thru from Memphis to Macon and ran like a champ. Big big difference from the motor with about 250k on it to this. Damn sweet! Has cat by pass.

matt930s 05-08-2017 06:56 AM

How about some pics of both?

MattR

Quote:

Originally Posted by yazhound (Post 9579760)
Thanks for all the comments. The car has sentimental value ... lots of it. So likely not selling unless in a crunch. I just picked up my 88 911 from Pat Williams in Memphis on Saturday who did an engine rebuild, Euro spec and did the AC so it really works. Straight thru from Memphis to Macon and ran like a champ. Big big difference from the motor with about 250k on it to this. Damn sweet! Has cat by pass.


yazhound 05-08-2017 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt930s (Post 9579771)
How about some pics of both?

MattR

Will do but may be a few days...

Matt Monson 05-08-2017 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 9579805)
Why not sell it to a p-car enthusiast who will put it back on the road and not use it as 911 parts fodder ?

The car has sentimental value...lots of it.

yazhound 05-08-2017 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9579839)
The car has sentimental value...lots of it.

This..... I still have some years left and plan to get it going.


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