Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9800651)

Here’s the cheap 930 I like. He never sold it and would entertain offers around $45k.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/807717-fs-my-930-935-turbo.html

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 9801695)

I'm not knocking the backdate cars as much as having a hard time understanding the price of one. And that the $100-200k price increase is worth it?

Originally Posted by Manda Racing (Post 9801781)

I paid way over asking price-- sent a cashiers check on Labor Day and I'll be driving it at VIR in a couple weeks. FYI :D. And COTA in February 2018.

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 9801695)

So the NA car is more fun. Is that just on the track or everywhere?

A stock 930 will need less than $10K in modifications to put down 380-400WHP. Granted there is a line where the Turbo becomes a PITA. I read the threads and am trying to stay under that point.
It's has the aggressive Turbo style that is just as good to look at as any RSR. I'm a sucker for the old periscope headlight washers; So cool!
It took very little in suspension work to correct the squishy suspension and it's still comfortable on the street. The brakes are great stock.
The interior is nice. Especially with the super AC unit blowing snow.
Overall I really like the 930 and think its a great all around car. Definitely not a track car.

I'm not knocking the backdate cars as much as having a hard time understanding the price of one. And that the $100-200k price increase is worth it?


I will say the comments have made me decide my 74 build will be a 3.6 or 3.8 NA instead of an over the top Turbo car like Tait's. And the car will probably cost more than the 930 in the end. Maybe in the future when done I'll understand what everyone else already knows.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9801787)

It's the cost to build one. That's what I was alluding to with the $50k engine comment. It would take me 30 seconds to write you a quote for a $10-15k gearbox. $20-30k in paint and body work. Another 5 figures in wheels and suspension. You can take a $30-40k running driving car and quickly put six figures into making it your dream hot rod. And a lot of people have been doing that. Jeremey Dixon's 74 that sold on BaT for $70s (don't shoot me if I remember the sales price wrong) is what a nice home built one goes for. The cars trading fro $100-200k cost that much to build.

Here's a good piece about one, of many, shops that have jumped into this pool.
https://jalopnik.com/this-shop-in-wisconsin-makes-the-best-air-cooled-porsch-1739546953

Or how about this car, with a Rothsport engine and GT gearbox, that rolled out at Sema this week? They say they plan to build 25 of them as production pieces!
https://blog.caranddriver.com/gunther-werks-400r-answers-the-question-what-if-porsche-built-a-993-gt3-rs/

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 9802020)

I have not seen either of those cars. Both of them are amazing and have the work and tech in them to justify the value like a Singer build.
However there are those that sell for the $120k plus range (one for $225k or 245k this past year on BAT and one built here on Pelican that is asking $300k) that are more of a garage build quality. Those are the cars that I am referring to and don't understand.

I'm repeating myself here, but... Some guy builds a backdated car half in his garage and half at a body shop and it sells for $120-150k. Then a nice 930 comes along and people state it's an $80k car because of...

I do see both sides. Parts cost $$$.
My caliper rebuild at PMB cost more than my first car. I don't like that I wont see that cost returned, if I were selling, just because its a 930.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 9802048)

Got links to further the conversation? I would like to see these cars out of curiousity.

Originally Posted by ficke (Post 9801831)

So I think you get it, making power with a turbo is cheaper than making the same power with a NA engine. but it is not as usable and has a more risk so that is why people will pay a premium for those high HP. NA hot rods over a warmed over 930.

Originally Posted by gearby (Post 9802513)

+1
Exactly why I've been saying the 2007 to 2013 BMW M3 are going to be a collector's item someday. They were the only years that a naturally-aspirated V8 with 400 horsepower was installed in the M3 . The European Union is essentially forcing manufacturers to turbocharge all their models. The days are coming when you won't be able to get high horsepower naturally aspirated cars.

Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 9802527)

Does it count when you add a supercharger to that V8? :) 620 hp

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 9802529)

No. Superchargers are for GM, Mopar & Ford only.

Originally Posted by SkunkWorks (Post 9802099)

BAT has had quite a few backdated and/or outlaw cars, and they've all done well.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-porsche-911sc-3-0-2/

Originally Posted by ficke (Post 9802826)

These two cars you cited do look like cashing in on the flavor of the month.

But it is important to remember that not all the Porsche faithful like the 930 concept, that of a heavy GT car, overcoming aerodynamic drag from tacked on flares and such with brute power.

Porsches used to be about overcoming the odds with less, providing a nimble, tossable car with enough very reliable power to make a great driving experience that can win. Sort of the rapier vs. the battle axe.
I think 930's are to much like the modern Porsche in this way and people are searching for that old Porsche experience with these NA hot rods.