Turbo Vs. Longhood / RSR / Backdate Values

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Somebody wants that car.

I'm curious how they got it through CA emissions with no cat on aftermarket MFI.

they didn't. he smogged it with the 3.0 it came with. he's willing to sell that motor with the car...

[Matt Monson]

Someone should dump it in a 930 thread where 930condition1 will see it. I want to hear how unless you are Singer or Ruf you can’t improve upon the factory and that a $150k 930 is a better car.

[1979-930]

^^^ Hay now, I don't call him into your threads to screw them up with narrow minded nonsense.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

^^^ Hay now, I don't call him into your threads to screw them up with narrow minded nonsense.

I keed. It was a dirty little thought but not something i really encourage or condone. We already have maxi (pad) whining that certsin threads are even allowed into the subforum.

[omnivore]

As a reference point, in 2013 I nearly bought a Rothsport RSRish build very similar to the subject blue BaT car. It was maybe 2-3 years post-completion and still very nice. $75k was the number. Astounding car, (3.8, 15s, Guard Pro diff, etc). I passed since it wasn’t an original ‘investment grade’ car.

[1979-930]

^^^ Wow. Interesting. I can see the reasoning. But how things change. My crystal ball has never worked right either.


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[Alan A]

So I've seen this thing go through eBay 4 times now. When it's bid on it gets to around 60k. Since these are outside my area of expertise I'm wondering why so low.

All I have is too modded? It's a bit murdered out and the red anodizing isn't doing it any favors, but it's not horrible looking.

https://vmp.ebay.com/ebay/viewAllPhotos.aspx?smid=7706928

Curious why it's going round and round. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[omnivore]

I don’t study this end of the market but I see these fancy hotrods as a depreciating asset, like a new car. My Rothsport car is a good example as the original buyer payed six figures. Shop time continually gets more expensive (labor, insurance, employee benefits, outsourced services, etc.) and the shop still has to turn a profit on the sell end. So you see these high asks. On the positive side the millionaire class is growing steadily and they like their fancy toys.

[1979-930]

Alan,

It’s a modded turbo, and a 76 to boot. I think right now modding a turbo is the biggest no no in the Porsche world. The guys that want an old turbo car want it stock. The guys wanting a hotrod want an RSR clone or a narrow body rat racer.
But that’s just my opinion.

The car probably has $130k minimum into it. I would love to own it if it were a 75.


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[Alan A]

So it's the fact that it's modded rather than the quality of work.

Thx.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Alan A

So it's the fact that it's modded rather than the quality of work.

Thx.

Yes. And invariably sellers want to get what a stock car is worth out of a modded one. They justify it by saying it's got $50k more work in it than a stock car so has to be at least that valuable. Problem is how much work to make it back to stock? There's the discount no matter how nice the build is. They are only original once, and even a restored one is not worth the same as an original.

This is part of why you often see these modded cars sell quietly. People buy these cars, take them back to stock, and then try to market them as an all original barn find. The internet has a memory so it rarely works. But if you buy a project off Pelican and then sell it where people aren't bird board members they sometimes pull it off. Even some of the big name famous dealers have done this on occasion. Sloan was accused of such a thing more than once.

[Alan A]

Well I've some small experience of modded cars and their relative valuation differentials, just not aircooled Porkers.

I prefer Q-ship style modifications personally - look stock but perform better. This one though looked to have decent $ spent on go as well as show, and not knowing the minutiae was curious as to whether the mods were of decent quality.

[Matt Monson]

If it weren't for the fact that I hate black cars, that car would give me wood. The wheels are a nod to the 917/RSR wheels. I would ditch the duck, and the anodized center locks. If it were a proper 76 bright rainbow color like Continental Orange or Limongelb I'd be dehydrated from the drooling. But I'm no collector.

[Alan A]

If it were green I'd be a lot more interested.

[Matt Monson]

Ice Green Metallic

[Alan A]

That 77 on eBay right now is very pretty and I wouldn't kick it out of the garage for dripping oil, but Forest, Oak or Irish green does it better for me. I like the darker ones.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

Alan,

It’s a modded turbo, and a 76 to boot. I think right now modding a turbo is the biggest no no in the Porsche world. The guys that want an old turbo car want it stock. The guys wanting a hotrod want an RSR clone or a narrow body rat racer.
But that’s just my opinion.

The car probably has $130k minimum into it. I would love to own it if it were a 75.


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I second your opinion.
And another fact, these modded turbos do not sell for really that much also confirms even people who want modded turbos like to buy stock cars and mod them, paying a real premium for the end product.
Modded turbos just get no love in the resale market.

[1979-930]

^^^ Yep, That's why I have bins with every stock part I remove. Cheaper to save the stuff and put it back on if the day comes. I have actually purchased used parts, like a WUR, to have modded so I can save the original.

[MARISOL78sc]

Sold for $227K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-porsche-911sc-4-2/

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by MARISOL78sc

Sold for $227K

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-porsche-911sc-4-2/

Not surprised. Quality builds bring big $$$