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Turbo Vs. Longhood / RSR / Backdate Values

This is a value question I have wondered about for a while. And after the semi heated debate on the 88 Turbo it raised the thought again. So I thought it would be a good time to ask.

I see nice Turbo cars getting beat down on value. People claim its a $80k car because headers are on it, or a repaint, or whatever. But someone takes a basic 80's 911, does a backdate RSR build with some modifications, a "My Little Pony" color scheme, basket weave leather (ooohhh ahhh basket weave ) and people don't have an issue with $150k, $200k, I've even seen $300k ask for these cars. WTF?

Why do you think people put a low value on a factory Turbo car, in any condition, compared to a RSR or Singer style clone car? Real Singers are excluded from this.








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Good question. Two different type of buyers/collectors. The majority of the people buying/building these high quality RSR builds are most likely the same people that can afford a collector grade 1976 Turbo and probably have one in their collection.

Here's a guy building 3 of them at the same time on RL.

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/973916-my-rsr-build.html

This was a real nice build that fetched all the money. Well marketed and good timing.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-9111973-rsr-recreation/
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Ha ha - hilarious!

And I, too, get a laugh out of the ohhhhs & ahhhhhs from people over leather choice, "pretty" interiors, etc. BUTT each to their own.
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Hot rod versus stock buyers. Let’s not forget the 930 was the luxury flagship of the line. I would take a 3.8 on efi with a close ratio gearbox in an iroc look g body over a low powered stock 930 with 4spd and AC every time. A gamroth engine can easily run $50k. I can get a roach 930 for that.
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A gamroth engine can easily run $50k. I can get a roach 930 for that.
Whoa whoa whoa, be careful what you say. Better take that back before 930XX938498345 comes in here and sees that.

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Here’s the cheap 930 I like. He never sold it and would entertain offers around $45k.
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Hot rod versus stock buyers. Let’s not forget the 930 was the luxury flagship of the line. I would take a 3.8 on efi with a close ratio gearbox in an iroc look g body over a low powered stock 930 with 4spd and AC every time. A gamroth engine can easily run $50k. I can get a roach 930 for that.
Gitcha' suuuumm!!!

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It's all about collectability and the buyer. The more collectible a car is the higher premium put on stock trim. Some buyers just love the performance and stock trim has very little meaning to them.
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Good question I have thought about also.
930's are well, not very fun stock, but rare stock and a prominent piece of Porsche history, so stock 930's are collectable but not really for drivers and worth good money to own and not drive but brag about the low mileage at shows and such, like Ferrari owners do. So worth big money stock for those guys, the spenders.
Modified 930 are way more fun than stock ones to drive but not as fun to drive as hot rodded NA 911's, this is coming from some one who owns a hot rodded 930.
So if you are after a fun car to drive a 3.6 or 3.8L 911 would be hard to beat, even by a hot rodded 930. Hence the high price for them.
Hot rodding a 930 is just a weird none liner experience, easy to go over the edge and cause huge $$ in damage, power comes on the same way.
NA is much more predictable and frankly tougher with more room for mistakes. Hot rodded NA 911 really beats hot rodded 930's and the prices reflects that. maybe not in peak HP. but almost every where else.
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IckyFicke, you SUCK, bro, bigtime!!!

Turbo Powaaa' !!!!!

Butt in all seriousness, "fun" is how one defines it (like you have); personally, I don't know how one matches the fun of the turbo, hammer & anvil rush.

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Sorry dude, calling it like I see it. I like my car but I know it is finicky and not for the unwashed masses and NA power is and they will pay more for that than high strung, old tech.,Turbo power!
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the fun of the turbo, hammer & anvil rush.
I am with you there
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True about the finicky bit - not the best idea to put a hot ass, ridiculously heat generating turbocharger on an already hot ass, air cooled engine - just asking for mechanical trouble!
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. . . and they will pay more for that than high strung, old tech.,Turbo power!
Wut, Bosch K-Jetronic is not cutting edge?!?!
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True on all accounts there rawknee,
My son says my 930 is like that old boxer who still has a great punch but he might hurt himself throwing it.
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Ha ha - hilarious and true!

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True on all accounts there rawknee,
My son says my 930 is like that old boxer who still has a great punch but he might hurt himself throwing it.

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Hammer and anvil

Butt in all seriousness driving a fatt butted rear slot car is no way near as fun as a light high output H.P. hot rod 911.I used to service a number of RUF 3.4 cars with 374 H.P.The best thing about those cars was the 5 speed gearbox but they were heavy and like a fat girl Rawknees when they walked they jiggled like a soft boiled egg..I drive an 1800 lb.2.8 kitty like Targa that is a little finicky at 374 H.P. and 248 ft. lbs. of Torque.It only runs on VP Green 113 Octane because it is 14.3 to 1 compression.Do the math for power to weight ratio.It has a flat torque curve from 4300 -9100 rpm 0ver 240 ft. lbs.Ti rods & valves help as well but I always have a smile when I stand on it.Not cheap to run but who cares.Oh,it has no roof and only a Lexan windshield.No A/C.It also has a brake upgrade which helps.Other computer just failed or I would show a picture.Go hotrod builds.Ciao Fred
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FaapTabulousFred, I would be honored to go for a ride in your roided-up, girlz car. Can the ride take place in Costa Rica so that I can view the "scenery" while we're zipping along?!?!


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So the NA car is more fun. Is that just on the track or everywhere?

A stock 930 will need less than $10K in modifications to put down 380-400WHP. Granted there is a line where the Turbo becomes a PITA. I read the threads and am trying to stay under that point.
It's has the aggressive Turbo style that is just as good to look at as any RSR. I'm a sucker for the old periscope headlight washers; So cool!
It took very little in suspension work to correct the squishy suspension and it's still comfortable on the street. The brakes are great stock.
The interior is nice. Especially with the super AC unit blowing snow.
Overall I really like the 930 and think its a great all around car. Definitely not a track car.

I'm not knocking the backdate cars as much as having a hard time understanding the price of one. And that the $100-200k price increase is worth it?


I will say the comments have made me decide my 74 build will be a 3.6 or 3.8 NA instead of an over the top Turbo car like Tait's. And the car will probably cost more than the 930 in the end. Maybe in the future when done I'll understand what everyone else already knows.
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