How much is this 1977 S worth?

Kansas · 04-19-2018, 08:24 AM

I am currently the high bidder at $36.7K. Don't really want to go north of 38. It's got a lot of miles at 188K, but has been completely restored and gone through Please take a look:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-S/123076408421?hash=item1ca7ecf465:g:5AcAAOSwV99a0Ua 0&vxp=mtr

thamlin000 · thamlin000's Garage

I wouldn't bid any higher on this one.

Appears to be a really nice mid year with a lot of originality, aside from the black painted Fuchs (why to people do this on 6" wheels???). Original body looks great.

Originality can also be a negative on mid years when it comes to mechanicals. This car needs the 11 blade fan, chain tensioner, and pop off valve (if not already installed). At least the smog pump and thermal reactors are gone. The engine was probably rebuilt at 60k-80k miles. That was the lifespan of a 2.7 with smog crap.

I'm in Kansas and I'm assuming you are too. We are lucky, no smog laws. My 77 runs SSIs and a magnaflow exhaust.

Kansas · 04-19-2018, 09:25 AM

What about the high miles? How much of a negative is that?

kc911s · 04-19-2018, 09:55 AM

Miles shouldn't scare you as long as there are receipts to back up the "condition". The values of these cars are in their engines to some degree. You are going to have rebuilds on engine and tranny- if the receipts are there for current work and you trust it was done correctly then you are paying for that in the price of the car. No receipts high miles you are going to prob have to put $15-20k into the car for those rebuilds it will need.

mreid · 04-19-2018, 10:24 AM

There is nothing special about a 1977s unless you think the s means more $’s.

I think you are maxed out at this point and perhaps higher than a good buy. Mileage means nothing on these cars unless no work has been done.

juanbenae · juanbenae's Garage

it still has the thermal reactors on it as far as I can tell. which is a bad thing.

Cornerlot · Cornerlot's Garage

I don't see the that value in the car. The details reflect the mileage, no effort has been made to bring the car up to the level expected of a $38k mid-year car. And this opinion is from the owner of a '77 911S.

Right now the '74's are the mid-year in the limelight, and their high asking prices are dragging up the asking on the '76/'77 versions. For $38k find a NICE SC or decent Carrera.

kc911s · 04-19-2018, 10:48 AM

That narrow body is more appealing to some than the flared sc and carrera. I have both- a mid year and a 78 sc and I prefer the look of the midyear.

thamlin000 · thamlin000's Garage

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Originally Posted by juanbenae

it still has the thermal reactors on it as far as I can tell. which is a bad thing.

I don't see thermal reactors in the pics but maybe I'm looking at it wrong?

Kansas · 04-19-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kc911s

That narrow body is more appealing to some than the flared sc and carrera. I have both- a mid year and a 78 sc and I prefer the look of the midyear.

Agreed, the narrow body is what is really drawing me to these cars, but sounds like I need to bow out of this bid. If it was a 74', maybe, but right now Hagerty only valuates 77s at $17K. Just really like the silver color and narrow body, but guess I need to keep looking.

juanbenae · juanbenae's Garage

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Originally Posted by thamlin000

I don't see thermal reactors in the pics but maybe I'm looking at it wrong?

no cross over pipe. if they are not TR they are some funky strange pre 74 heat exchangers. I have never seen the manifold as a separate piece from the HE. maybe not TR, but something strange none the less.

I wish at times my 75 had not has the SC flares added and remain narrow.

thamlin000 · thamlin000's Garage

That Hagerty number is BS. There are no decent 77S for $17k.

You never really know until you see it in person but this car has a lot of detailed, close-up pictures and it shows really well. Look at the body tags/emissions stickers. I don't see overspray and tape lines in these areas that are common even on high dollar restored 911s.

Ok, it's dirty underneath. Seems like everyone is detailing undercarriages and bottom of engines these days prior to selling them. Hasn't been done on this car. Don't remember anyone doing that 5-10 years ago unless it was a restoration.

Assuming there are no pulled head studs, I'd consider this a $33k car. The miles are high, it needs mechanical updates and it needs the correct Fuchs refinish. If you pay $36k and the car is mechanically good, it's still a decent purchase. $38k+ is just overpaying.

kc911s · 04-19-2018, 12:24 PM

/\ /\ +1... something I always like to see when I look at a car is the engine stickers still intact.

75 911s · 75 911s's Garage

No thermals. That is the common Bursch 3 into 1 headers that replaces the TRs. The stock heat exchangers remain. Looks pretty nice, I would pay low 30s tops for this car.

SalParadise · 04-19-2018, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thamlin000

That Hagerty number is BS. There are no decent 77S for $17k.

Amen to this one. Hagerty values my rust-free California '75 S Targa with a rebuilt engine at $18K. Yeah, right...

Rawknees'Turbo · 04-19-2018, 05:49 PM

It's amazing that no one ever changed out that five blade fan or the boat anchor, York a/c compressor.

Matt Monson · 04-19-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

It's amazing that no one ever changed out that five blade fan or the boat anchor, York a/c compressor.

People who drove them like regular cars didn’t have a huge problem with that stuff. People who drove them like Porsches did.

SalParadise · 04-19-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by juanbenae

it still has the thermal reactors on it as far as I can tell. which is a bad thing.

No, those aren't thermos. They are Bursch headers that replace thermos - most have been done. I just removed them from my engine to clean the studs...

Bursch 2.7 headers for thermo replacement...

The dreaded ordinance-looking thermo...which does in fact grenade the engine...

mreid · 04-19-2018, 07:26 PM

The other thing of note is the deceptive HP claim.

Rawknees'Turbo · 04-19-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

People who drove them like regular cars didn’t have a huge problem with that stuff. People who drove them like Porsches did.

I'm so vain that even if I owned one of those and didn't drive it at all, I would replace that 5 blader, since it looks like something that would be spinning on the end of a stick stuck in someone's flower bed, rather than attempting to cool a six banger engine.