Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > 911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
911tracker85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Park Hills, KY
Posts: 1,872
SC/930 conversion axles?

Mark... I did search first.

I am at the point of looking towards putting stuff together rather than tearing down.

I have a 78 SC that was converted to a 930 ... partially. the initial conversion put in a modified 3.3 turbo motor but kept the 915.

I finally got a short BH 930 4 sp. but with the SC banana arms the output shaft of the 930 4 sp is different than the stub axle from the SC.

forgot to measure them and will do.

so for those who have done 930 conversion with 930 4sp but non-930 rear suspension, what did you do for axles?
__________________
Bob Cox
84 928S, Ruby Red linen/brown interior - preferred DD
85 911 Targa, White Gold/brown int - sold
86 944 turbo my new DE/track car.
78 930 clone project car.
Old 07-12-2019, 05:33 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Brando
 
quattrorunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Las vegas
Posts: 6,103
Garage
You could use the sc stub axles if they're compatible( Both fine spline). I'd use the newer thicker shaft versions of the half shafts though if you plan to use more than 400hp. The benefit to this is that you already have them and you wouldn't need the other end 930 parts attached to the 930 trailing arm.
__________________
Turbo powa!
1977 911s. it's cool

Last edited by quattrorunner; 07-12-2019 at 08:08 AM..
Old 07-12-2019, 08:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Glorious Pac NW
Posts: 3,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by 911tracker85 View Post
I finally got a short BH 930 4 sp. but with the SC banana arms the output shaft of the 930 4 sp is different than the stub axle from the SC.
I haven't done this, so take it with a grain of salt - I seem to recall that 930 output stubs have the same larger diameter (108mm?) and larger bolt fittings (M10) that late-style G50 stubs/axles use (as well as early - coarse spline - 915s, except that these used 4 bolts/2 pins)).

If that's right (and the respective axle lengths are in the ballpark), you might be able to use G50 axles for a 911.

These don't bolt up on the wheel side; the separate drive shaft 901-332-232-00 that engages the 911/930 wheel hub on earlier cars is part of the axle; nominally non-detachable. Remove the drive shaft in the banana arm, and the CV only gets bolted up on the gearbox stub.

If you went with M491/930 G50 axles without the attached spline, you'd need to swap the wheel drive hub to match the axles.

It's also possible the CVs will interchange on the axles. That could mean you might be able to fit a 930/G50 CV on a 915 axle, or a 915 CV (e.g. the wheel end) on a 930 or G50 axle.

At least you'd always know what was going to break if you did that...
__________________
'77 S with '78 930 power and a few other things.
Old 07-12-2019, 08:53 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Glorious Pac NW
Posts: 3,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by quattrorunner View Post
You could use the sc stub axles if they're compatible( Both fine spline).
They might fit (930 and 915 LSDs are identical I think, so splines match), although I seem to recall there's some fitment caveats in some directions (read: "machining"). Looked into it some when I wanted to run G50 axles on a 915. I forget why, but I think 930 stubs don't work in a 915. Or need to be machined. Might have a bookmark...

(To anyone else considering that route - good luck finding the large 915 flanges the factory used for about 10 minutes - oh, OK, a few months - before switching over to G50; aftermarket or adapting seemed the only realistic option 10 years ago, and they're just rarer now).

Quote:
Originally Posted by quattrorunner View Post
I'd use the newer thicker shaft versions of the half shafts
Did they beef up late 915 axle diameter and keep the same CVs? Heh. My concern was always for the 915 CVs...
__________________
'77 S with '78 930 power and a few other things.
Old 07-12-2019, 09:30 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Brando
 
quattrorunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Las vegas
Posts: 6,103
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by spuggy View Post


Did they beef up late 915 axle diameter and keep the same CVs? Heh. My concern was always for the 915 CVs...
Not sure about the cv actually but later 915 half shafts use the smaller diam stub bolt circle with thicker shafts. These seem to be the replacement half shafts for earlier cars with 100mm stubs?
__________________
Turbo powa!
1977 911s. it's cool
Old 07-12-2019, 09:47 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lite75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bellingham WA
Posts: 896
Garage
Here's a good one on axles and CVs, make sure you read the whole thread as some corrections have been made.


CV and Axle Cross Reference
__________________
75 930, 76 930, 83 SC EFI turbo

Last edited by lite75; 07-13-2019 at 07:38 AM..
Old 07-13-2019, 07:32 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Brando
 
quattrorunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Las vegas
Posts: 6,103
Garage
Thanks for that. Ignore my earlier info. I’m now more confused than ever about how I’ve come up with what I have. I do know that my 915 was a 915/61 from a 77 and my 930 fits the same fine splines. And also that the axles I use are up to 85.5 with8mm bolts. They’re thicker shafts and work great. I assume the 930 axles with larger 10mm bolts will give greater strength. My 450hp isn’t damaging my 8mm bolts as of yet.
__________________
Turbo powa!
1977 911s. it's cool
Old 07-13-2019, 08:36 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
911tracker85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Park Hills, KY
Posts: 1,872
finally pulled the SC axle out and took an old 3.2 cararra axle to the shop.

it appears I will be able to use the carerra axle with the 930 gearbox output shaft.

or am I delusional?

the 3.2 axle fits the SC hub, about 1/4" longer in the threads.

and the 3.2 axle accepts the 930 output flange once you remove the grease cover.





__________________
Bob Cox
84 928S, Ruby Red linen/brown interior - preferred DD
85 911 Targa, White Gold/brown int - sold
86 944 turbo my new DE/track car.
78 930 clone project car.
Old 07-21-2019, 05:46 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 1,033
Garage
Nice work Bob! Very interesting research. I secretly purchased a 1972 911 that I plan on modifying. Naturally the 930 has been sitting in the garage for about 4 years waiting for me to rebuild the engine and transmission. I had just finished the paint and interior started to drive on the 18 year "rested" engine and discovered it had a broke head stud, so there it sits. I hope to get back to the 930 this winter.

Rahl
Old 07-21-2019, 06:22 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
911tracker85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Park Hills, KY
Posts: 1,872
LOL
I also 'secretly' purchased an 87 924S that I planned to pull the engine to use the block to rebuild the motor in my 951 track car. but came across a good 951 engine I am going to buy and get the 951 running, have not been to a track event yet.

at some point I'll put this turd up on the lift to see how much suspension, brake, etc work it would take to get it on the road. PO drove it to the shop across the street and parked it a couple years ago. I bought it and we put in some gas and used a jump box and after some cranking it fired up, did not really expect that and it drove across the street under its own power. with lots of clanking and rattling from the bad flex plate.

auto with a bad flex plate and PO already got that when I explained what it would take to replace he lost interest. if not too much expensive work will replace the flex plate, gut the car but keep street legal, and let my partner's sons beat it on the track / autocross.

good luck on your projects.


__________________
Bob Cox
84 928S, Ruby Red linen/brown interior - preferred DD
85 911 Targa, White Gold/brown int - sold
86 944 turbo my new DE/track car.
78 930 clone project car.
Old 07-21-2019, 06:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Alan L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 3,466
Nothing a water blaster won't fix. Will look a $M.
Alan
__________________
83 SC, 82 930 (track) - Stock except for RarlyL8 race headers, RarlyL8 Zork, K27-7006, 22/28 T bars, 007 Fuel head, short 3&4 gears, NGK AFR, Greddy EBC (on the slippery slope), Wevo engine mounts, ERP rear camber adjust and mono balls, Tarret front monoball camber adjust, Elgin cams, 38mm ported heads, 964 IC. 380rwhp @ 0.8bar Apart from above, bone stock:-)
Old 07-28-2019, 12:32 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
911tracker85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Park Hills, KY
Posts: 1,872
yea ... it'll buff out fine....
__________________
Bob Cox
84 928S, Ruby Red linen/brown interior - preferred DD
85 911 Targa, White Gold/brown int - sold
86 944 turbo my new DE/track car.
78 930 clone project car.
Old 07-28-2019, 07:04 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
gearhead
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Loverland, CO
Posts: 16,361
100mm SC stub axles willbolt directly to a 930 gearbox. No changes are required to the axle. However, that obviously doesn’t get you to stronger axle.

As discovered, 108mm Carrera stubs also bolt tight in and you can use late 3.2 axles with a 930 gearbox as well.
__________________
1974 911 Restorod
1974 914 Bumble Bee
1975 911S Tom's Targa
2008 Cayman S Mule
Old 07-29-2019, 06:56 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Secret lair deep underground
Posts: 1,188
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 911tracker85 View Post
yea ... it'll buff out fine....
My dad is a tv repair man, he's got this ultimate set of tools, i can fix it
__________________
'86 no-sunroof 930 coupe: Emissions removed, FrankenCIS controlling eWUR, lambda, COP ignition, and EBC. SC cams, K-27/29, Tial 0.8bar, TK Longneck intercooler, RarlyL8 headers and dual-outlet hooligan
'14 Jaguar XK-R: Bullet proof windscreen, rotating number plates (valid all European countries), martini mixer, whatever you do don't press this red button!
Old 07-29-2019, 08:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
911tracker85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Park Hills, KY
Posts: 1,872
Quote:
100mm SC stub axles willbolt directly to a 930 gearbox
the pic I did not post is the SC axle up against the 930 output flange. I did not measure but suspect the 930 output flange is 108mm. it was rebuilt and shortened, think it is an '80 930 gearbox. did the 76-77 930 output flange 100mm?

no matter I've got a solution.
__________________
Bob Cox
84 928S, Ruby Red linen/brown interior - preferred DD
85 911 Targa, White Gold/brown int - sold
86 944 turbo my new DE/track car.
78 930 clone project car.
Old 07-30-2019, 05:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
gearhead
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Loverland, CO
Posts: 16,361
All 930 stubs have always been 108mm, even the early ones.
__________________
1974 911 Restorod
1974 914 Bumble Bee
1975 911S Tom's Targa
2008 Cayman S Mule
Old 07-31-2019, 05:43 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:42 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.