should I take it to the next level?

[Redgard]

I posted this question in the porsche market place forum earlier but this maybe a better place for it..
I bought a 1976 turbo from a fellow Pelican 2 years ago.. at the time it had a very powerful 3.3 in it as well as the original case on the shelf. It was the ideal car for me , an enduring classic with drivers quality paint and an engine I could push. I drove it pretty hard in the colorado mountains until the oil pressure started to drop consistently and the oil temperature climbed.. wanting to er on the side of caution I sent it back to the mechanic who had done the swap to put it back to original 3.0
When i bought the car I considered it a savings account not an investment. A car i could enjoy knowing it would hold its value and I could sell it as soon as a building project started (which at that time was way off on the horizon).
Unfortunately the car took five month longer at the mechanics during its full rebuild and finally after 11 months it’s done
My project breaks ground in a month so I am thinking it’s time to sell.
here are a couple questions.

Should I spend the money to repaint and perfect this disirable car before i sell it?
knowing million dollar porsche are sometimes created from rusted wrecks I would almost think a car with a very old paint job would be more desirable since no one invested the kind of money 25 years ago to cover flaws that they do now.
My second question is should i start trying to sell it here or just go straight to BaT?
I used to love the classified here before they changed the rules and a dialogue would develop.. now Bat seems the only place to offer that kind of exchange..
I love this car and don’t really want to anonymously put it up on the block...
here are the specifics.
I would also be curious on the forums thoughts on a good starting point price wise too..
here are a few highlights.
1976 Porsche Turbo Carrera.
vin # ...0034 One of the very earliest turbos imported into the USA.
- no accident history
- silver / russet red. twenty year old repaint in B- condition, some scratches, chips and dings. One or two small rust bubbles.
- matching numbers 3.0 liter motor and 4 speed manual transmission confirmed by PPS. Both rebuilt by Farmers Automotive master mechanic Bob Farmer less then 500 miles ago. 116,000 shown.
- flow benched heads with DHL headers approximate HP 330.
- upgraded torsion and sway bars.
- boxter brakes up front.
- no heat, original dealer installed A/c removed and kept.
- period correct sport seats newly recovered. Original sofa seats kept. dash and interior fair to good condition. sun visors puffy, headliner fair condition.
- sunroof.
- 1974 “fatty” symmetric steering wheel newly recovered. original kept.
- full records back to original window sticker.
- all manuals and correct tool kit. no spare or compressor.
- correct 1975 fuchs 7’s and 8’s Rsr finish perfect condition. also have 9/15” 1973 rsr rears.
Thanks!
Redgard

[356911930]

Pictures always help to give information on a cars value.

Rahl

[Redgard]

sounds like we have very similar Porsche’s. If you want to see a few pictures i posted them on the porsche market discussion forum under thread ‘76 turbo feeler’
I don’t want to make it seem like i am selling this car til i come to a decision about whether or not i should do the paint before i list it and until i can properly photograph it..that and the question about BaT were meant to be pretty general..

[Matt Monson]

General questions only get general answers. Answers like $50-100k.

[gsxrken]

If you need to sell it in a month because your construction is commencing, you’re waaay too late to think about a repaint. If you think the engine guy took longer than you thought just wait for how long a body shop has your car. If you bought the car as a savings account and not an investment, just sell it for what you bought it for and be done with it.
That and I don’t like how much is my car worth posts on this forum.

[1979-930]

If the car is in stock condition except for the wheels and repaint. Then for top dollar it needs a good paint job and stock Fuchs.
But you won’t recover that cost in today’s market.
Sell it as is and let the next owner spend the money.
You’re not going to get much more than $70k right now unless the car is really nice.


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[full quack]

My resent experience when attempting to deal with BAT was not good or promising or warm-n-fuzzy.
I was left with the impression that they were only catering to dealers. With their only intent was to get you to list your car for below rock bottom wholesale pricing.
They kept telling me that "they have no real experience with current value of a 930, so we can only let you list it at what we decide". That "we decide price" for my 930 was $40-45K.

I sold it thru Facebook for nearly twice that.......just saying.

Mark

[Redgard]

Thanks for the insight on BaT.. it seems the auctions that to do the best there are the ‘No reaserve’ ones. Which takes a strong constitution on the sellers part.
Facebook is a sales avenue I have never heard of.. did you sell it to a friend?

[b5aar]

Need detailed pics for a ballpark#

[Redgard]

Unfortunately the best photos i have are currently posted on the porsche market discussion forum.. under ‘1976 turbo feeler’
I will take more when i get the car back from having the original deck lid refitted... but when hear 50- 70k for a car that when it’s painted ( i’m guessing 20-25k expense) will rival cars that are currently listed for 160k+ i’m thinking about leaving the car there and having it painted!

[Redgard]

here are a couple interior shots taken on a very bright day.. Note carpet has dust on it i live on a dirt road and the ‘73 carrera ‘fatty’ steering wheel. an expense that was totally worth it.

[Redgard]

more of the interior

[b5aar]

Love the color...great combo with the silver

[356911930]

The interior looks nice!

There are minor things that make the car look a little thrown together. Nothing that would really detract from a "driver", but here are some things I noticed.

1. I'm not sure but I don't think that is a 1973 fatty wheel, but I could be wrong. It looks like a 1976 to 1980 wheel that has had the grip diameter increased to fatty diameter. I perfectly straight on picture could help clarify this. The bottom "link" should be longer that the side two "links".

2. The tachometer is not correct for a 1976 930. It is later a 1977-89 tachometer with boost gauge.

3. No center console. Standard on 1976 930

What does the engine look like? Standard 1976 930 or modified. Modifide can be good for a driver, but buyers can be harder to come by. I personally like drivers though, but price is less. A car that looks original has less chance of having a cheap "restoration".

Best of luck with the sale,

Rahl

[full quack]

I advertised here on Pelican, on Autotrader, on 6speed, on facebook and about 1/2 a dozen other Porsche oriented forums nationwide with the help of a local car nut.
In the end, it was Facebook that got the sale done.
I sold it sight unseen to a complete stranger that I only meet over the phone and thru Facebook messenger.

Mark

[Redgard]

Thanks for the great feed back!
a couple things,
I have just reviewed the photos of all of the 1976 turbo carreras sold the last couple years on BaT and none of them have center consoles. So my guess is, consoles may have been an option but certainly were not standard.

Regarding the Fatty, The wheel is dated stamped 4 week of 1974 and it was me that sent it to be recovered at Dallas custom steering wheel..it’s only one layer of leather and you can tell it’s symmetrical because all of the arms are the same length( makes sense if you think about it).. the Stock wheel (which i kept) has a shorter arm on the bottom and arches higher above the gages.
Your right about the Tach .. I couldn’t bring myself to puting the original tach back in without a boost gage it’s just too useful to have while driving.
I have also included a photo of the newly rebuilt 3.0 motor. it’s only modifications are Flow benched heads, DHL headers and an MSD inginition ( i have the original innigition)
I drove the car about 200 mountain miles in the last couple days..once the motors broken in I’m planing on having it dynoed.. It feels as strong as a stock 3.3 maybe stronger..

[Redgard]

Here is a Black 76 turbo carrera that sold on Bat.. this one has the skinny stock wheel with the high arch on top.
I took the A/C vents off in my car becuase i needed the leg room.
also note absence of center console..

[Matt Monson]

No 1973 steering wheel ever had a 4/74 date stamp...

[Redgard]

I went back to the photos from the ad on the wheel (purchased) here on Pelican Parts
it is a ‘74 Fatty not a ‘73 as I had first remembered it..
Are you doubting this is a symmetric fatty steering wheel? or just pointing out an error in my posts original copy? I get a feeling your just building your post total.. and not really intending on saying anything meaningful.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Redgard

I went back to the photos from the ad on the wheel (purchased) here on Pelican Parts
it is a ‘74 Fatty not a ‘73 as I had first remembered it..
Are you doubting this is a symmetric fatty steering wheel? or just pointing out an error in my posts original copy? I get a feeling your just building your post total.. and not really intending on saying anything meaningful.

Jesus.. do you really think I even look at my post count? I’ll never understand you people who place some sort of weird value of how much someone says. Review my post history. 90% of it is useless chatter not in tech. Then review my technical posts. You’ll figure it out...

. I’ve given you constructive criticism a couple times in this thread and the other. If you take the posts to heart, when you sell it it will make for a better ad. You repeatedly call it a 1973 Carrera steering wheel. And then post that it’s not. When you write your actual ad just call it a Carrera wheel. Include the date if you wish. A 73 Carrera and a 74 Carrera wheel are the same thing. Don’t be so defensive..

Though personally I would sell it with the original 930 wheel on it. Just like putting the 3l back in the car, original is how to maximize value on a car like this. The more original and the less hot rod it is will bring the most.

The interior photos definitely bump my opinion of the value. It’s far less rough than I expected from the other things. And like I said before, replace that ratty rubber. The tires make you look like a neglectful owner. Don’t get defensive again, I said looks like. You know you aren’t but the peanut gallery on BaT would eat you for lunch over something like that. My criticism you are taking so personally will help you sell it when you leave our little pond here on PP.