Turbo Outlaw

[Unobtainium]

We're aware Rod Emory is well know for his very special 356 Outlaws. My question is would an appropriately modded 930 qualify as an Outlaw as well? We have so many seriously modified turbos on this forum that I was wondering the appropriateness of a "930 Outlaw." And then you have the turboed narrow body crowd. Aren't they Outlaws as well?
I revere the unmolested cars and respect those who own them. But I think the rest of us are Outlaws just as much as the 356's are.
Any thoughts to share? Agree or disagree?

[onboost]

Only recently have unmolested Turbos been sought out as their value has begun to tick upward. However, that’s not to say that there have not always been those that have preferred they’re Turbos unmolested.

That being said, I would have to disagree with the term outlaw with regard to the 930 as the prospect of molesting a Turbo is/was a given in its day.. and even now. Whereas with a 356, the prospect to modify was out of the norm, and frowned upon, hence the use of the term Outlaw.

As for the Turboed narrow body cars…well, I don’t see them as Outlaws either as its just so common to modify these cars.

Not the gospel, just my opinion..

Cheers

[Les Paul]

It seems Turbos were modified from the day they left the factory. Nobody frowned on it for some reason. I would think it really would be harder to find one that didn't have mods.

[voitureltd]

Originally Posted by Les Paul

It seems Turbos were modified from the day they left the factory. Nobody frowned on it for some reason.

The factory did it first may be why. So to my mind they were made to be fast, the faster the better. I like them both ways. Many modded turbos are done very similar to how the factory built them, some used period factory technology and parts and modded by shops that had Porsche factory racing connections. Some of the enlightened " in the know crowd" wanted theirs to perform better, the way the few factory built modded ones did once they knew their showroom stock 930 was developed in conjunction with a race project to compete in group 4.

[Jim2]

OUTLAW!!

Where'd this guy go? His car Christine always made me think 930 outlaw. Picture remains on my pc.

[Richard930]

Looks like it could be out of Mad Max...

[RarlyL8]

Outlaw!

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by Jim2

OUTLAW!!

Where'd this guy go? His car Christine always made me think 930 outlaw. Picture remains on my pc.

I've often wondered about him too, as he hasn't posted since May, 2011 . . .

[carreraseacat]

outlaw is often applied to the earlier 911, think magnus walker, but you don't see the term used so much with 930s.

the term hotrod get's used a lot though. maybe because of the type of car it is, the turbo is more about power mods than about 'outlaw look' mods?

[carreraseacat]

hotord tends to get used more than outlaw when it comes to 930s.

maybe because the mods are more about speed and power than looks?

[onboost]

Originally Posted by carreraseacat

outlaw is often applied to the earlier 911, think magnus walker, but you don't see the term used so much with 930s.

Hmmmmmm,
I would have to disagree with that.. the term outlaw as applied to the earlier 911 has more or less recently been directly associated with Magnus Walker.. not so much so to the early 911 itself.

They were typically referred to as modded or hot-rodded.. Again, from my many years of playing with these cars the term Outlaw has usually been affixed to the modified 356.

Just say'n...

[redturbo911]

I think the cars pictured above are more then qualified as outlaws. I see them and thats just my thought. Very nice cars as well.

[gumba]

I agree with Onboost. Seems like folks modify things then feel a need to brand it for credibility. I also get the feeling Outlaw being applied to 911's & 930's comes from the more recent P owners. As an example "the term outlaw as applied to the earlier 911 has more or less recently been directly associated with Magnus Walker.. not so much so to the early 911 itself". People have been hot rodding, modifying P cars long before this guy (no disrespect).
When the RGruppe started getting notoriety in the early 2000's, pretty much any mode was a "RGruppe style" car, then 911R, 911RS, 911RSR, 911IROC, 930RS, 911 Cafe Racer, 911ST style, and now "Outlaw". I ran across a few posts of, someone building a Outlaw style RC tractor trailer, Outlaw style sprint car wing, Outlaw style sprint car wheels, the list goes on. I've been hot rodding/modifying rc Blizzard SR snowcats for the past year, maybe I should call it a "Outlaw Snowcat".
I built our street/track '73 911E Targa in 2000. Factory RS flairs, steel/f/g ducktail, 3.2, modified trans, 930 brakes, Smart Racing shocks, sway bars, 7&8x15's w/Weidman's RSR finish, 8&9x16's and so on. I didn't know anything about the RGruppe at the time, but the car is recognized as an RGruppe car. I met Chris in '03 then joined.
Enough ranting, this term will soon pass and it will be something else.

[M5guy]

Outlaws with balls of steel.

[petri]

I quess term hot rod doesn't apply with any Porsche, as they don't have rods at all but over head camshafts, therefore they can't be hot rods.
Outlaw, yes, I agree the interpretation seen here of late need to describe modification of old valuable car as more accepted conversion by name 'outlaw'. It just doesn't happen that way...

As Emory did his original modifications, 356 was still almost new car in scene. Comparable "outlaws" would be those -76 -84 935s as Kremers, dP:s etc. and others did them then... if there is need to re-use term outlaw. It was still during the period done performance and outlook modification, and kind of correct for me. As you are bringing up Gabe's 935rep and 934reps... they are more near for such thinking, if they must be cathegorized. 911 or 930 mod build today by me or you or by Walker or Singer or RWB or any, doesn't make them any better (no offense for Walker and Singer as they are great modded cars I really admire as well) to be called as outlaws. But still - same time and in same sentece - they are anyway sort of 'outlaws' for 911 & 930 purists, right?

And I got understanding of Magnus W. film he is rather describing himself as 'urban outlaw' which I understand very well... I like both his stylist way of live&work as well as his nice nice garage...
Designwise his small and discreet modifications to pre73 911s fits to my thinking better than well. They do have some Emory Outlaw-ish taste... at least for me.

[quattrorunner]

What about the simple fact that outlaw could describe the non adhearance to factory perfect that so many live by in Porsche lala land? Don't get me wrong, I love a correct car, and see the point of keeping a future collector car right, but my car is a bastard and will become more that way as I continue down the slippery slope as it were. My car is an outlaw by this standard and I call it my SLB. Outlaw.

[Les Paul]

I quess term hot rod doesn't apply with any Porsche, as they don't have rods at all but over head camshafts, therefore they can't be hot rods.

That chunk of metal between the piston and the crankshaft isn't a rod?

[Turboo934]

Cristine is alive and well as for me I just got out of the Hospital

[totle]

Hope all is well Robert

[pkracer21j]

call it an outlaw, hot rod, etc....its definitely not stock






BTW, her name is Mjolner