case & head gasket kit brand

gumba · 08-28-2014, 06:18 AM

I'm starting to gather parts for the engine assembly. Any particular brand of engine case & head gasket kit preferred? Are the copper fuel head banjo bolt washers and fuel head O ring included?

Black_Hat · 08-28-2014, 06:21 AM

WRIGHTWOOD RACING

pay now or pay later

H2odiesel · 08-28-2014, 07:27 AM

Agree, Wright wood. Our host doesn't carry that brand and from what I can tell you can not but them direct. I got mine through Henry at Supertec. I am sure some of the other contributors here can also supply themas well.

Tippy · 08-28-2014, 08:33 AM

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WRIGHTWOOD RACING

pay now or pay later

Please elaborate. I had no problems with Victor-Reinz against what the board said.

Also, I know a shop that has built probably 100's of 911 engines using VR without issue.

TurboKraft · 08-28-2014, 09:06 AM

Hi Harold,
We have WR brand gasket sets, too. It's all we use in our builds now.

The debacles using VR gasket sets are well documented on other build threads. Nothing like getting new out-of-spec seals to ruin your day. Their quality used to be OEM, but no longer.

Tippy · 08-28-2014, 10:18 AM

What gaskets were out of spec?

JFairman · 08-28-2014, 02:29 PM

I've heard some of the oil pump green viton seals were cut a little short and leaked. You gotta split the case to change those so that would suck.

Tippy · 08-28-2014, 06:51 PM

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I've heard some of the oil pump green viton seals were cut a little short and leaked. You gotta split the case to change those so that would suck.

Those are the scariest damn o-rings on Earth! I hope mine are ok.

TurboKraft · 08-29-2014, 09:30 AM

15 points to the man in S Florida.

Thanks to VR's quality, We had to cover 5 full teardowns and rebuilds to freshly built engines -- Schnelle's complex EFI engine, a 3.8L ITB GT2, two more EFI Turbos and one CIS.

Total reimbursement from Victor Reinz? $0.00.

Tippy · 08-29-2014, 09:50 AM

Ok, so if there is sealant between the case halves, how do you know the oil pump o-rings are leaking?

Cavitation??

TurboKraft · 08-29-2014, 10:14 AM

Oil pressure.
Or rather, lack thereof.
Kinda ruins your whole day when that happens.
Kinda ruins a lot of your year when it happens to 5 engines.

Tippy · 08-29-2014, 11:00 AM

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Oil pressure.

Or rather, lack thereof.

Kinda ruins your whole day when that happens.

Kinda ruins a lot of your year when it happens to 5 engines.

Ooh, I'd be against VR too.

When did this occur? Maybe they've addressed since due to folks like you?

TurboKraft · 08-29-2014, 02:44 PM

Maybe they have, maybe they haven't. Most likely not.
Doesn't matter to me, we'll never use their product again if at all avoidable.

And sadly, they aren't the only "OEM" parts that are out-of-spec right out of the box.

The parts supply market isn't what it used to be.

Norm K · 04:05 PM

Can't help but wonder aloud why, if this is a known issue to those in the industry, Pelican doesn't address it publicly as a service to their customers. You know, customer service. That they would be completely in the dark regarding this issue seems quite unlikely at this point and they they certainly have the forum to effectively alert their customer base. I'm just one guy, but the several thousand dollars this one guy has sent to Pelican over the last year or so was done so with the quite reasonable expectation that they'll act in good faith on my behalf.

Yet in the week since sealing my case I've come across threads pertaining to bad Glyco rod bearings and now one concerning suspect quality gaskets and seals from Victor Reinz.

Caveat emptor be damned! It is completely unreasonable for a company to sit on the on the sidelines while the very forum that draws people to the money-making (sadly that's probably the operative phrase here) part of their enterprise is abuzz with these issues. And it's ridiculous to expect that those of us who support Pelican Parts with our dollars - lots of `em - should have to resort to search engines to investigate the viability of the very parts for which Pelican Parts so readily accepts our money.

If the folks at Pelican can demonstrate ignorance to these issues I'll apologize with the same level of alacrity by which I'm expressing my disappointment. If they can't however, well, the shame is on them.

Then of course, I might just get banned and never know what, if anything, they do have to say. If this post is seen as ban-worthy by the Pelican powers that be, C'est la vie and good riddance!

gumba · 08-29-2014, 05:10 PM

That's not going to happen. It's up to us to post the questions about products/shops were not sure about.

dos531 · dos531's Garage

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Originally Posted by nkowi

Can't help but wonder aloud why, if this is a known issue to those in the industry, Pelican doesn't address it publicly as a service to their customers. You know, customer service. That they would be completely in the dark regarding this issue seems quite unlikely at this point and they they certainly have the forum to effectively alert their customer base. I'm just one guy, but the several thousand dollars this one guy has sent to Pelican over the last year or so was done so with the quite reasonable expectation that they'll act in good faith on my behalf.

Yet in the week since sealing my case I've come across threads pertaining to bad Glyco rod bearings and now one concerning suspect quality gaskets and seals from Victor Reinz.

Caveat emptor be damned! It is completely unreasonable for a company to sit on the on the sidelines while the very forum that draws people to the money-making (sadly that's probably the operative phrase here) part of their enterprise is abuzz with these issues. And it's ridiculous to expect that those of us who support Pelican Parts with our dollars - lots of `em - should have to resort to search engines to investigate the viability of the very parts for which Pelican Parts so readily accepts our money.

If the folks at Pelican can demonstrate ignorance to these issues I'll apologize with the same level of alacrity by which I'm expressing my disappointment. If they can't however, well, the shame is on them.

Then of course, I might just get banned and never know what, if anything, they do have to say. If this post is seen as ban-worthy by the Pelican powers that be, C'est la vie and good riddance!

That's what the review section of the products is for. They carry way too many products to know whether or not some of their products may or may not have issues.

Norm K · 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dos531

That's what the review section of the products is for. They carry way too many products to know whether or not some of their products may or may not have issues.

Both the case and head gasket kits from Victor Reinz are given four out of five thumbs-up, which Pelican defines as "Excellent". This information, found right on the same page as the items themselves, would certainly appear to most readers/shoppers to be a product review. If they don't know, they shouldn't rate.

Oh, and the Glyco rod bearings carry a five thumbs-up, or "Best" rating ...

Tippy · 08-29-2014, 07:54 PM

I with you nkowi. If I were a business owner and knew a product I sell was losing integrity, I'd have to stop selling their stuff and address the issues with the company.

H2odiesel · 08-30-2014, 07:02 AM

I cant seem to find it, but I am sure there was a thread I reviewed before ordering my Wrightwood gasket set where serious problems with the VR gasket sets and especially the seals was discussed. A PP rep joined the discussion and refuted the claims and made a statement about how threads like this is how unfounded rumors are started. It made me reconsider VR for a moment but I went ahead and bought the better quality gasket and sealer kits.