Can bottom end rebuild sit for a year before finishing rest of build?

[Trakrat]

I was just curious if it's possible for me to start building my bottom end and get the case halves put together this year... then let it sit for another year before moving on to the rest of the engine?? Obviously I would wrap the complete engine block in shrink wrap to protect it, but it would be sitting in the garage through another 4 seasons of temp changes.

(Unfortunately thanks to Trump's tax change, I owe more than I had adjusted for and can't afford the new cams and P&C I had planned to buy this spring.)

Or do I need to wait until I can afford to build the engine all at once from start to finish?

[996AE]

You made more money and paid more in taxes? You should tell Donnie thank you.

Keep collecting parts and do the engine at one time.

The Act created the following chart. The highest tax bracket is $500,000 for single people and $600,000 for married couples. In 2018, they pay a 37 percent rate after exemptions and deductions. That's lower than the 2017 rate of 39.6 percent.

Income Tax Rate Income Levels for Those Filing As:
2017 2018-2025 Single Married-Joint
10% 10% $0-$9,525 $0-$19,050
15% 12% $9,525-$38,700 $19,050-$77,400
25% 22% $38,700-$82,500 $77,400-$165,000
28% 24% $82,500-$157,500 $165,000-$315,000
33% 32% $157,500-$200,000 $315,000-$400,000
33%-35% 35% $200,000-$500,000 $400,000-$600,000
39.6% 37% $500,000+ $600,000+

Rates went down in every bracket but one. Must be nice making 600K plus and complaining about it.

[Cairo94507]

I wish we could leave politics out of the car forums. I believe you would be better off just waiting and doing the engine all at one time.

[Trakrat]

Originally Posted by 996AE

You made more money and paid more in taxes? You should tell Donnie thank you.

Keep collecting parts and do the engine at one time.

The Act created the following chart. The highest tax bracket is $500,000 for single people and $600,000 for married couples. In 2018, they pay a 37 percent rate after exemptions and deductions. That's lower than the 2017 rate of 39.6 percent.

Income Tax Rate Income Levels for Those Filing As:
2017 2018-2025 Single Married-Joint
10% 10% $0-$9,525 $0-$19,050
15% 12% $9,525-$38,700 $19,050-$77,400
25% 22% $38,700-$82,500 $77,400-$165,000
28% 24% $82,500-$157,500 $165,000-$315,000
33% 32% $157,500-$200,000 $315,000-$400,000
33%-35% 35% $200,000-$500,000 $400,000-$600,000
39.6% 37% $500,000+ $600,000+

Rates went down in every bracket but one. Must be nice making 600K plus and complaining about it.

how did I make more money? huh? household income dropped by nearly 30% due to job change, and yet I owe this time, and more than I had anticipated, especially since before the job change, we actually got a nice refund.

But yeah... it MUST be nice making 600K plus. I'd be able to retire in 5 years if I had a salary like that!!!

[Trakrat]

Originally Posted by Cairo94507

I wish we could leave politics out of the car forums. I believe you would be better off just waiting and doing the engine all at one time.

Thanks... I just hate having parts hanging around and staring at them. And the wife complains about all the pieces all over the garage. I figured if I could at least get the case on the engine stand completed, it would clear some space.

I just worry that the assembly lube won't hold up for another 4 seasons.

[scottrx7tt]

Originally Posted by Trakrat

how did I make more money? huh? household income dropped by nearly 30% due to job change, and yet I owe this time, and more than I had anticipated, especially since before the job change, we actually got a nice refund.

But yeah... it MUST be nice making 600K plus. I'd be able to retire in 5 years if I had a salary like that!!!

The effective tax rate dropped, so your employer took less out of your check. You are keeping more $ in your pocket instead of letting the government hold on to it tax free. Also, your standard deduction went up considerably this year. That could have caused you to not be able to itemize your deductions this year. The wife and I were barely able to itemize this year.

[Trakrat]

Originally Posted by scottrx7tt

The effective tax rate dropped, so your employer took less out of your check. You are keeping more $ in your pocket instead of letting the government hold on to it tax free. Also, your standard deduction went up considerably this year. That could have caused you to not be able to itemize your deductions this year. The wife and I were barely able to itemize this year.

ugh... you all need to stop trying to pull me into discussions about taxes.

[Matt Monson]

Man, some serious reading comprehension fail in this thread. Lots of people are in Trakrat's position of not having adjusted their withholding. Doesn't mean he paid more in taxes, and he obviously understands that.

I would just box everything up and wait. I've got a 20 mo old, and remember too recently how it was at 4 mo. Do the family thing for the next year. The project will wait.

[Jonny042]

I'd go ahead and assemble it - why not? The assembly lube is not going to go bad in a year. Or two, or three, any more than the grease in your wheel bearings is going to go bad while the car sits unused.

Put another way - what's going to be different if you assemble it a it sits for a week or two or a year or two? Nothing I'd say.

This is of course assuming you use a grease type assembly lube which seems to be the standard these days.

[faapgar]

Should not be a problem if it is well sealed.I have an early turbo case with 66mm crank and longer Pauter rods that has been wrapped up since 98.It was a spare 2.8 bottom end for a race car.Now I am adding 98mm P & C to make a SS 3.0.In the heyday of the 2.7 I would prep 2.7 lower ends in the winter months to cut the down time on an incoming job.Matching numbers what not important with middies back then.Fred

[Walt Fricke]

Agreed - any good assembly lube will stay put.

[911pcars]

I see it as less clutter in the workplace taking up space when it could be stored (correctly and safely) inside the crankcase and protected from most environmental hazards (water, dust, etc.).

Sherwood

[smokintr6]

I would probably assemble it and wrap it up. Though not a requirement, I would rather store it in a basement, or in a closet in a part of the house that doesn't see the temp swings. The crankcase is relatively light, two people can carry it around the house with no issue. That being said, I live with no adult supervision, and maybe don't give the best advice.

[Trakrat]

Originally Posted by smokintr6

I would probably assemble it and wrap it up. Though not a requirement, I would rather store it in a basement, or in a closet in a part of the house that doesn't see the temp swings. The crankcase is relatively light, two people can carry it around the house with no issue. That being said, I live with no adult supervision, and maybe don't give the best advice.

wow... nice setup. I am envious.

[Trakrat]

thanks all.. I guess it should be fine to at least get the bottom end done.

I agree with Sherwood. It makes me nervous letting the crankshaft just 'sit out'.

I've already had a scare when the wife dropped a metal hose nozzle into my open case half after getting it back from Ollie's.

[Ken911]

As long as it's in a climate controlled space it should be ok. A friend of mine had his motor in his shop in miami thats not airconditioned a couple years. The humidity and condensation caused the cylinder plating to fail. This was not a freshly rebuilt motor but one that had been in his track car running. Thats why mine sits in the garage covered with the AC running.

[gtc]

I'd suggest an assembly grease like redline.
I used Brad Penn assembly lube, and it would drip out of the open parts of the case when i rotated the engine.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by gtc

I'd suggest an assembly grease like redline.
I used Brad Penn assembly lube, and it would drip out of the open parts of the case when i rotated the engine.

Yes. That could happen and vice versa and especially with non-compressible objects. To state the obvious, cover/plug those openings and cover the engine to avoid that happening whether currently working on the engine, pausing for a snack, overnight, days, months or years.

This is an infamous "BBs in the engine" thread and its aftermath. https://www.miata.net/apple/0111.html

Here's a more contemporary video:



These guys have too much time on their hands.

Sherwood

[Jonny042]

So what's the current favorite lube(s)?

I'd like to use a grease-type, brush-on product for the cams but not sure that's the hot setup for mains and rods although that's what I'm seeing people use these days. I always used the superthick permatex red stuff for everything in the past.

[smokintr6]

Originally Posted by Jonny042

So what's the current favorite lube(s)?

I'd like to use a grease-type, brush-on product for the cams but not sure that's the hot setup for mains and rods although that's what I'm seeing people use these days. I always used the superthick permatex red stuff for everything in the past.

I used a sticky red assembly lube for all internal surfaces except the cylinders / piston rings. I dip the pistons in 50wt engine oil. I believe the red lube was made by clevite, and had the consistency of elmers glue, except extremely sticky.