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Don't know where this will get you and you may have done this. I would draw a line down center of a page, list the performance pieces of your first engine on the left side and in the same order, list your new motors pieces. Note your differences. I do think the pump, considering that your ignition is correctly working, is the first order of business at this point. No fuel up top, no HP. I have 3 MFI engines, never a dull moment.
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Great point Neil. These are the 2 standard MFI pump timing specs. Stock MFI pump: Set @ 40 degrees after overlap. #1 plunger starts to rise @ 85* after #1 TDC. @ 295* ATDC #1 plunger is at 50% of travel. @ 115* after overlap #1 plunger is fully compressed. Total plunger travel is 6.90mm. For the RSR's: Set @ 14* before overlap. #1 plunger starts to rise @ 34* ATDC. @ 243* ATDC #1 plunger is at 50% of travel. @ 55* after overlap #1 plunger is fully compressed. Total plunger travel 6.90mm. Hope this helps.
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Mark, is the difference in the MFI pump timing between the rsr pumps and the standard street pumps solely related to the space cams or is it a combination of things? In other words if someone puts an rsr space cam in an early 911s MFI injection pump like 1970, would that change the MFI pump timing from s to rsr or it more related to the cam in the engine.
It seems that it could get complicated if one modifies an S space cam or has a custom one made to match a GE-60. In that case is there a way to calculate the MFI timing or would you try standard S setting first? |
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Custom space cams are a challenge. Knowing the MFI pump injection timing can play a big part when setting the engine's cam timing. Example:For a 3.0L high performance street engine with something like GE-60 cams there is no benefit in changing the MFI pump timing. For high lift and longer duration camshafts the MFI pump timing can be advanced to better match the camshafts specs. I built a short stroke 3.1L (66 x 100) high butterfly, RSR Sprint cams and ended up setting my MFI pump timing to 5* BTDC after a few dyno runs to find the sweet spot for that engine.
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Mark is correct.It only takes maybe 5 minutes for a pump change on the dyno.Good point Mark
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Interesting. How much difference did it make on the dyno? I haven't seen any good articles for sequential EFI where changing the injection timing has any impact on power. I wonder if MFI is different.
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Unfortunately, often, the mapping is done quickly to get a power result and all of the important part throttle stuff is never looked at. I have seem maps where the fuel timing has been left at one position all throughout the entire map. When done correctly, the fuel timing can be as different as the Ignition timing all over the entire map. This is just one advantage the EF injection system has over a mechanical system. The mechanical system has set timing so you find the best position to make the best power over the whole RPM range. This brings back memories of my time with the Turbo BMW engine. It had a mechanical pump that was controlled electronically. Until we got that system to work properly, we left many engine parts on race tracks all over the world. |
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