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930/66 07-07-2014 10:42 AM

Another 930 Engine Conversion
 
This conversion report is a good possibility to introduce myself and my Car.
I drive the car for 14 years it`s black / black with RUF Wheels
It`s a 87-er. 930 with 4-Speed Transmission before beginning the conversion was all original.
It`s not the first conversion and rebuilding on this Car, but now i start from zero.
The Transmission I have revised five years ago and the Suspension 2 years ago.

Some pictures of the Car:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404757295.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404757323.jpg

My Parts List:

Mahle P/C 3.4 7.5:1
964 Cams
Intercooler Longneck from Turbokraft
Tial Wastegate
Headers with heat port size 38mm from Rarly8
Turbocharger K27/29 from Rarly8
Oil feed line from Turbokraft
CIS Injector Blocks port size 36mm from Turbokraft
Rocker Shaft Set from Turbokraft
Rocker Shaft Seal Set from Turbokraft
Flyweel Clutch Set from Patrick Motorsport
Supertec Head Studs and Engine Seal Kit
High Torque Starter
D-Zug 935 Style Crankshaft Pulley
Zeitronics ZT-II
and a long List of Parts from Pelicanparts:)

The modifications I will describe during the report...

930/66 07-07-2014 10:55 AM

engine removal
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404759261.jpg

Helpful Tool from a Friend:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404759301.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404759325.jpg

joe-1972 07-08-2014 05:07 AM

Very cool posting! Will be following with great interest... GOOD LUCK!

930/66 07-08-2014 07:29 AM

Sources of Information
 
Thanks Joe


I have used various sources of information:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404833199.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404833215.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404833226.jpg

I also used my Porsche Service Manuels and not to forget the help of porsche friends.

930/66 07-08-2014 08:05 AM

before I had the motor removed I always expand the heat exchangers, Intercooler and airfilter box.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404835016.jpg

generally ran the motor without problems with little oil leaks

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404835238.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404835256.jpg

start with strip down the engine

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404835539.jpg

930/66 07-08-2014 10:05 AM

Strip down
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404842426.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404842504.jpg

Good old 3LDZ
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404842530.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404842613.jpg

another Oil leak left side
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404842660.jpg

930/66 07-08-2014 10:19 AM

more pictures
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404843476.jpg
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930/66 07-08-2014 10:41 AM

Clutch and Flyweel removing
 
last change of the Clutch is 45t Miles ago (with about 413 Pound Force on the Crank)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404844802.jpg
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930/66 07-09-2014 08:40 AM

Tensioner, Camshaft sprocket, Chain Housing Removal
 
Chain Housing left Side

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404923816.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404923876.jpg

camshaft sprocket flange
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404923899.jpg

endplate
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404923939.jpg

left chain housing
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404923983.jpg


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930/66 07-09-2014 09:58 AM

Rocker Arm, Camshaft Removal
 
remove all rocker arm and shaft components no oil leak at all
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404928401.jpg

some wear
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404928535.jpg
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remove camshaft from housing
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404928681.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1404928721.jpg

930/66 07-09-2014 10:21 AM

Camshaft Housing / Heads Removal
 
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proffighter 07-09-2014 02:16 PM

Hi swiss fellowSmileWavy

Nice, keep going with a lot of pics.

BTW your thread is listed in the Pelican newsletter, congratulations

DSM 07-09-2014 03:02 PM

Subscribed!

rennch 07-09-2014 03:42 PM

Always interested in this, as I've never rebuilt an engine before. #bucketlist

Strygaldwir 07-09-2014 04:08 PM

Thanks for all the pictures! I know you always have to remember to grab the camera instead of loosening that next fastener.

Good luck, will be watching as you go through this.

Keith

SchnellSchweitz 07-09-2014 05:36 PM

Those pics bring back memories to me. Best of luck with your rebuild!

Eric

0-60Motorsports 07-10-2014 01:12 AM

Excellent work. Looking forward to updates

930/66 07-10-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proffighter (Post 8156046)
Hi swiss fellowSmileWavy

Nice, keep going with a lot of pics.

BTW your thread is listed in the Pelican newsletter, congratulations

Hi Roland

believe me there are many more pictures:)

I have see it in the newsletter i love this section:

And check out his home-made engine and transmission stand!
he is really practical for working, the angle can be easily adjusted for removing and installing

930/66 07-10-2014 07:24 AM

@all

Thank you Folks

working and make some pictures are not always so easy... need some more time.
For the assembling for me as a DIY it`s a good help

930/66 07-10-2014 07:50 AM

Removing Air Guide Plates / Piston Cylinders /Dilavar Studs
 
air guide plates
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405006282.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405006298.jpg

removing pistons and cylinders

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405007080.jpg

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405007217.jpg

dilavar studs / just 2 off 24 have make some problems (heating the loctite helps)
just with 2 nuts an 2 wrench

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405007266.jpg

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930/66 07-10-2014 08:05 AM

Removing some Parts
 
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930/66 07-13-2014 03:25 AM

Preparing Parts for Powder Coating
 
many of the parts are rusty and some rubber sealing are broken

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405250593.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405250620.jpg

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930/66 07-13-2014 03:45 AM

Disassembling Cylider Heads for Porting and Replacing Valve Guides
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405251764.jpg

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930/66 07-13-2014 04:24 AM

Disassembling Intake Manifold
 
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405254205.jpg

looks bad

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405254218.jpg

930/66 07-13-2014 05:59 AM

Porting Cylinder Heads
 
before i bring the cylinder heads to the shop (for replacing the valve guides) i porting the Heads myself.
Intake to 36mm
Exhaust to 38mm

930/66 07-13-2014 06:09 AM

Intake 32 to 36mm
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405260482.jpg

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930/66 07-13-2014 06:12 AM

Exhaust to 38mm
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405260662.jpg

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930/66 07-13-2014 06:37 AM

Intake Manifold ported to 36mm
 
all with a milling cutter

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405262213.jpg

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A&F 07-13-2014 08:30 AM

Awesome Project!

930/66 07-16-2014 10:15 AM

Some Parts have arrived by Post
 
I have many parts from Pelikan Members...Thank You!!!

The Mahle 3.4L full finned Pistons and Cylinders (used) come from tomdeq he converted his 930 back to stock.
The Camshafts 964 with no wear / pitting are from Anastasios also used Parts.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405534375.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405534398.jpg

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930/66 07-16-2014 11:49 AM

964 Camshaft
 
I had to modify the camshaft for the 930.

left: extender for scavenge pump
right: remove power steering pump adapter

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405540057.jpg

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930/66 07-16-2014 12:01 PM

P/C Mahle 3.4 7:5:1
 
general condition is good

2 piston rings and 1 oil scraper ring were broken, it was not easy to get new one`s.
there are 2 different versions of the 3.4 liter set.
only RUF in Germany had new one.

I modified the cylinder (old school know how)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405540869.jpg

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proffighter 07-16-2014 02:47 PM

1000 pics and not even close to re-assembly:D

Nice, go on buddy!

930/66 07-21-2014 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proffighter (Post 8167568)
1000 pics and not even close to re-assembly:D

Nice, go on buddy!


:) I know I'm not the man of 1000 words but with 1000 pics

930/66 07-21-2014 11:27 AM

Splitting the Crankcase
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405970723.jpg

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930/66 07-21-2014 11:36 AM

Bearing Shell Main Bearings / Intermedia Shaft
 
Looks not to bad:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405971320.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405971328.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1405971340.jpg

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jsveb 07-21-2014 09:01 PM

Please tell why you made the cut-outs in the cylinders.

I know why we did it on two-stroke engines, but gather this is not the same.

proffighter 07-22-2014 03:44 AM

That's a classic tuning procedure (boattailing) to relieve gas exchange or breathing between the cylinders and the crankcase (volume below the piston). According Bruce Anderson 10 more hp for a 2 liter engine. This needs also machining the crankcase like this which correspond (red) to the slots in the cylinders:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406028716.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406029359.jpg


I do not have seen any dyno to proof, but because I don't see any downside except the work it's worth a try

930/66 07-22-2014 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proffighter (Post 8175868)
That's a classic tuning procedure (boattailing) to relieve gas exchange or breathing between the cylinders and the crankcase (volume below the piston). According Bruce Anderson 10 more hp for a 2 liter engine. This needs also machining the crankcase like this which correspond (red) to the slots in the cylinders:

I do not have seen any dyno to proof, but because I don't see any downside except the work it's worth a try

Thank you Roland for the illustration!

I have picture from the Bruce Anderson Book (German Version from Roland)
This modification was made at all the factory 2 liter racing engines.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406049668.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406049682.jpg

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930/66 07-22-2014 09:52 AM

Disassembling Crankshaft
 
The bearings and surfaces are in good condition.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406051441.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1406051455.jpg

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