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Since no one else mentioned it , I will. There is a major aerodynamic factor you need to seriously consider when purchasing your S.

Simply stated the Red ones are faster, sexier and their pilots are acknowledged by one and all as Masters Of All They Survey.

and to add to flatbutt's wisdom:
it doesn't matter which one you get.
everything happens AFTER you get it.
like the drug dealer says "The crack pipe is FREE with your first purchase of rock!"

...brad

Bikerfish just for you,I called them sharks not jews...;-)
Greetings from your favourite anti-semite but really just between you an me I don't even know what the word means but when I see what is going on in Israel and all the global banking bull**** and all the lies in the papers,radio,TV that is run by people of this certain "religious" group than I have a right to critizise and guys like you can all me names all day long;that's fine with me!
You know what Ariel Sharon said lately?I don't care what the american people think about me because I own the congress...The really sad thing he is right!But I should be more specific;maybe you are a jew but I don't like zionists,and that is an understatement...Calling us germans nazis than taking our money to kill palestinians...:-(
Sorry ha nothing to do with the thread but bikerfish called me and got his personal answer.
Chris

Chris - Are you for real?

chris, your paranoia is showing. did you go off your meds?

Hey Chris,

We're going to find out whether or not you really know what the hell you're talking about regarding Israel, the Palestinians, the middle east, the whole pile 'o crap over there.

Answer these questions (and nobody else help him out here):

1) Who are the Bah'ai (sometimes spelled "Bahai", or "Baha'i"), where do they live, how are they being treated?

2) Muslims from all nations on earth can now become Saudi Arabian citizens, except for one nation. Which nation, and why?

3) What is the number one cause of death among Palestinian women from late teen age through 30s and possibly even later?

4) How did the whole "Jewish banker" stereotype start, and when, and how was it connected to anti-Semitic violence?

5) Bonus points if you can sort out how many hundreds of millions of foreign aid money Arafat stole and squirreled away. (Don't bother with this one because nobody REALLY knows for sure...the earlier questions though are absolutely serious.)

....a new, almost literal, meaning to the term "hijacked" thread.

Get it?

Question: Is there a way to ignore posts from certain users?
I really don't want to stumble across this type of post again.

Yes there is. Its in your setups. You can block posts from those you don't want to see.

"edit ignore list"

my apologies to the board & its' members for my role in the hijacking. i have a tough time letting Chris spew his venom without calling him on it.

Jim,

What are the answers?

1) The Bah'ai are a sort of "very civilized, pacifistic Islam offshoot" that starting in what's now Iran about 125 or so years ago. Main point is that they've been subjected to horrendous persecution under the same current Iranian gov't that supports Hamas, the Palestinians, etc. (The Bah'ai have been persecuted elsewhere by Islamic nations but there's fewer of them outside of Iran.)

Google:

bahai genocide

The real point here is that people who complain about "barbarous Israel" basically NEVER know squat about the unbelievable crimes of the surrounding Islamic nations. They only CARE about "crimes" by Israel (some of which are excessive maybe, some aren't) because their main motivation is anti-Semitism.

2) Saudi Arabia denies citizenship or immigration to one group of muslims: Palestinians. They want the Palestinians right where they are, stirring up trouble. The same policy is applied by all Islamic nations. If the Palestinians were to dissipate, Israel would no longer be an "evil external threat" that these dictatorships (Syria, Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Libya, formerly Iraq until very recently, etc.) can use to distract their people from their own sick excesses. In contrast, when the Arab/Israeli conflict first cropped up, Israel evactuated Jews from all other middle eastern countries and gave them sanctuary, support and new homes in Israel. Israel wanted to eliminate a future source of conflict and save their people; the Arab nations want conflict and leave their comrades in as much hell as they can create in order to generate sympathy.

3) "Honor killings". :barf: It's common enough in Jordan, Pakistan and elsewhere but it's epidemic among the Palestinians. It's a sure sign that there's WAY more going on than just Israeli relations; the culture itself is violently warped. Do a google search like so, with quotes as shown:

palestinians "honor killings"

Over 5,000 hits. Granted, some are Israeli sourced pointing out the underlying cultural causes of the violence and with good reason; feel free to discount those. But some of these reporting sources are of Arab and even Palestinian origin themselves.

4) This is the most interesting.

OK, back when Catholocism was the only form of Christianity in Europe (circa about 1550AD and prior), Christians were allowed to BORROW money at interest, but could not loan money at interest. Muslims could neither borrow or loan money at interest (still can't; go google "islamic banking" to see the weird ways they get around that "Allah didn't see fit to give Mohammed any business sense" problem today).

The Jewish faith allowed both loaning and borrowing money at interest. As they weren't allowed to own land in Europe, they got deeply involved with jewelry making, goldsmithing and other highly portable assets (in case a local religious freakout meant running for their lives) and *banking*. Lots of banking. They became the "venture capital" that allowed Europe's financial recovery from the dark ages.

Now yeah, some abused it a bit but not that often. What was a LOT more common was for some local baron or earl or whatever to get way deep in debt and rather than pay the Jews back, bribe the local Bishop to stir up a pogrom, fire up the local population to run the Jews out with pitchforks, and then baron and bishop divide up the Jew's stuff. Such "get out of a loan via violent religious fervor" was really, REALLY common all over Europe for damn near 1,000 years.

Anyways.

This old link to Jews and banking (because they were the only ones allowed to!) is what feeds modern tales of "Jews controlling our financing!" as used by Hitler, etc. It's BS with a tiny germ of truth so it's believable by complete idiots.

Wow. Fascinating post, Jim! I really don't know enough about the middle east. Questions:

1) I understand that the knowledge that reappeared during the Renaissance was in large part retained by Jews who fled to and lived in peace with the muslims during the Dark Ages. True?

2) I can't understand what the objectives of the insurgents are in Iraq. Don't they understand they are to be self-governing democracy with our (forced) guidance?

3) Do you think the formation of Israel in 1947 was, in retrospect a mistake? To me it looks like the main source of all the trouble, and have been told this is not correct.

I apologize in advance for ignorance, but I'm curious.

O.K Jim that let me tell you as a "complete idiot" that the USA is the only country that doesn't even have the authority over their own currency.America lost it's souveranity in 1919 when the FED,a private owned jewish bank took over and that is no B.S.!
The american media and hollywood are the same.And who really got Bush into the iraq war mess.Ever heared of PNAC;Project of a new american century...Read that and you know what this administration is up to and who is behind it...Otherwise ever heared about Henry Ford;he wrote a pretty interesting book too when he got the inspiration from the protocols of the elders of zion...I could give you some interesting websides too but I won't but will private because it would get censored anyways because we lost free speech not political correct free speech long time ago...
And bikerfish I don't understand your paranoia?I make a little innocent joke and you react this way...Jews make fun about any people and request them to be tolerant,but if someone else takes the same right their are totally intolerant and call you an anti-semite...But you know I really don't care anymore after I see what is done to the palestinian people.And except for average american who is mostly kept in the dark an fed s... the whole world is starting to feel the same way.You think we wold have all the problems with militant muslims and Osama B.L. who was trained by the americans and a friend during the soviet-afghan war if it wasn't for the occupation of palestine.If that problem doesn't get solved with a fair plan for both sides with two independent states,world war 4 might just around the corner...
And Jim do you know which religion doesn't accept you as a member if you mother wasn't part of that "religion".Or which state doesn't give you citizenship unless you were born there or you were member of that "religion"?!
Chris

Steve, I'll offer an opinion on question #2.

If China were to invade the U.S., disband our current government, and install their "superior" form of government, would you go along with the plan, or would you take up arms? I know where I'd be.

I really don't think democracy will take hold in Iraq. We can hope, but I'm not confident.

Chris, there's problems with the Federal Reserve Bank, yeah, but "Jewish" ain't one of 'em. Go start a bike forum at www.stormfront.somethingorother, I forget if they're ".com" or ".net" or whatever and I hardly care.

Quoting Steve:

Ummm...sorta. It's all kinda confused. Arab scholarship circa AD700 - 900 range was pretty damn good. Not all of it was "retained knowledge of the Greek/Roman ancients", either - the Arabs sorted out the idea of "zero" which neither the Romans nor Greeks had, which is why Roman numerals are so bizarre :). (And I'm told the Roman method of addition (without zeros) is more frighteningly complex than the wiring on a servo ABS system <grin>.)

Aaanyways. Basically, right around the end of the dark ages, trade for goods as far away as India and China started, with the Arabs right in the thick of it. Arab scholarship became part of it, the Jews were trading like crazy too, it's hard to sort out what flowed from where. Too easy to generalize a real complex period.

This is my opinion only...

What I see happening here stems IN PART from the fact that Mohammed was an actual town "mayor" equivelent for a good part of his life...and a lot of the Quran is a blueprint for running a civilian government. As such things go, it's not THAT bad, but Democracy wasn't part of the recipe.

Therefore, you're always going to have a REALLY hardcore Islamic element that wants an "Islamic government" featuring a "benign dictatorship" and NOT a Democracy.

That's part of the crowd we're fighting over there.

The OTHER part is...well, flat-out criminals. OK, y'all understand Saddam was really nothing more than a gangster, right? I mean a flat-out old-fashioned profit-motive "mafia type" figure. Well he had all kinds of "subordinate criminals" also motivated by profit. When the US took over all those palaces, we got a lot of the "books" - the financial records of all the crooked crap that went on (running right up to the head of the UN, top figures in the French and Russian governments, lots of others). The "rats" that COULD get out of Iraq did but from about mid-level on down, they're still there. Having leftover criminally obtained money, they finance the real "religious crazies" knowing that if a strong civilized government really gets it's legs under it and puts together a real police force, those old "crooks" are toast.

So it's "religious fanatics financed by gangsters".

Sigh.

Hell if I know. Sigh.

Arright. Let's start with the question "Why is "Iran" called "Iran"?"

Huh?

Yeah, first clue, the name change was during the late '30s.

It's the local (Farsi) translation of another word: "Aryan".

Ah.

Next, go look up a guy name of Michel Aflaq, founder of the Ba'ath party. Studied in Germany in the early 1930s, was a frequent guest of Hitler, went on to found the Ba'ath party which we just finally evicted from Iraq and is STILL dominant in Syria. It's basically full-on Nazi.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Ba'ath%20Party

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/837uvzrs.asp

Whoops.

We're not done looking for Nazis in the Middle East. Not by a long shot. Next old Arab Nazi to delve into was a gent name of Haj Amin al-Husseini, the "Grand Mufti" of Jerusalem prior to WW2, a frequent guest of Hitler, helped his buddy Adolf recruit an SS regiment out of Bosnian Muslims...the memories of that crap is part of what blew up in the former Yugoslavia during the Clinton era.

After the war, his adopted nephew and political heir became real well known. Chap name of Yasser Arafat. Nope, I ain't kidding, go fire up google.

Christ.

OK, why are there old Nazi links all over the middle east?

Answer: 'Cuz that's where the oil was.

Get it yet? Knowing that Britain needed Middle East oil to fight the war, and knowing that Germany didn't have the resources to screw up that oil supply themselves, they infiltrated the Arab world hard'n'heavy trying to stir them up to fight the British. With very mixed success. The part of the message that said "oh and by the way, KILL THE JEWS!" was recieved loud and f'ing clear :(.

Arright. Follow along now:

What was Yasser Arafat doing getting hosted in Rumania, Hungary and other Warsaw-pact nations back when the USSR was a going concern?

Answer: the Politbureau knew Yasser was an butthead. In fact, their secret police filmed his dumb ass boinking his bodyguards and smuggled in boys on a regular basis. They knew his entire ideology was Nazi-derived. They didn't care. What they KNEW was that he had the ability to raise holy hell against Israel and keep the Arab world inflamed against the US, raising oil prices, causing artificial gasoline shortages, increasing Soviet influence in the area, basically acting as good little cold war pawns.

Why?

'Cuz there was oil in the middle east.

In other words: every superpower of the 20th century had reason to go screwing around SOMEHOW in the Middle East. Because of the Nazi connection, the Jews became the center of attention but y'know, if it wasn't them, if it wasn't Israel, there would have been some other freakin' flashpoint.

Why? 'Cuz o' the oil.

Gawd. What a mess.

Anyways. What I find hysterical is US hardcore lefties at UC Berkeley or whereever "finding solidarity with the downtrodden Palestinians" originally because the Communist Party of the USSR supported the Palestinians over Israel just to get digs in at the US, meanwhile the US lefties are utterly unaware of the Nazi links to the "oppressed" <barf> and the Soviet Politbureau didn't care.

THAT, folks, is pure political comedy right there.

Question: how many of y'all knew about the Nazis running amok all over the Middle East? I mean, did y'all think it got all stinky just under OUR watch?

Hell no, it's been a fooked-up snakepit for a way long time :(.

Since long before the state of Israel!!!

So....

1) Do you think our intentions in Iraq are honorable?

2) Is there a chance for peace there now that Afarat is gone?

3) Do you see a solution?

Dude... looks like you already made the right choice. The rice burning, ying-ding-ding boys have not realised that their investment shrinks radidly and they get oil everywhere, while the Beemer owners give each other that knowing nod.

They are all good, however, the things i love on mine are: Heated grips (cos I live in the UK), wide rear (cos I'm a hooligan, and no, the jap boys can't catch me!), unrivaled quality... no substitute for that!

ABS is the most awsome system I've tried although I personally do not have it on mine.

I'm new too so Welcome to the best site for miles!

Jim unfortunately you have no idea at all what you are talking about;The B'hai B'rith is a jewish founded anti arab hate group and no peace loving religious foundation...
The Fed is exactly what I said...
Keep your stormfront but if you wan't to educate yourself jewwatch.com has all the information to change some of your blatand misconceptions about the world...
Chris

Chris, the B'nai Brith is not nearly associated with B'Hai Faith. 2 totally unconnected groups. B'nai Brith is Jewish, but you're also so thoroughly wrong about it being anti-Arab. and you say Jim has no idea of what he is talking about? yeah, right.
Henry Ford is a famous anti-semite, Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an absolute and complete forgery, with no connection to reality whatsoever, and jewwatch.com is just more bullshiz for the gullible who would like to see some easy fix to their problems, just like the Nazis sold the German people.