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1098 v. 916 (v. GSXR1000) BIKE review
The March issue of BIKE magazine has a comparison of what the potential of the 1098 is to the 916. They also include a few performance tests against an '06 model GSXR1000.
Mark Brewin of BSD (Ducati nut, dyno tester etc. for PB, RIDE and BIKE, and builder of privateer bikes for BSB) felt the 916 was better built. The 1098 motor and frame are well engineered. The chassis can handle the motor as seen by the strengthening gussets at every frame joint. However he feels the assembly is "a bit of an afterthought..." Specifically he compares it to how quickly a 916 is to disassemble compared to the 1098. For example a few quick release fasteners on the 916 removed the fairing while you must remove 11 Allen bolts just to get to the 1098 battery. He felt the level of detail wasn't as good; i.e. cable/zip ties instead of rubber bands as used on the 916. He can disassemble a 916 in 45 mins but the 1098 will take longer. Brewin also comments on the cambelt tensioner pulleys on the 1098 that are made of plastic as opposed to the steel ones on the 916 and 999. The demo bikes' pulleys were 0.3mm oval, rather than round and had stopped turning altogether. The cambelt was worn flat and this motor, according to Brewin, would not have made it to the next service. Brewin is changing his 1098S pulleys to steel. They go on to discuss racing success and iconic status, pretty predictable. 1098 v GSXR1000 Top speed: 1098 - 169.3 mph, GSXR - 175.5 mph 0-60 mph: 3.5s, 3.6 SS 1/4 mile: 11.56 @ 134.59 mph, 11.38 @ 137.08 mph 40-120 mph roll on: 13.19s, 11.15s Power: 148.5 bhp @ 9500 rpm, 164.7 bhp @ 13,100 rpm Torque: 86.1 lb.ft @ 7900 rpm, 82.6 lb.ft @ 9400 rpm Practicality compared to a Japanese sportsbike... I'm a bit jaded here since I cannot see how a Japanese sportsbike, scratch that, how any sportbikes can be considered practical... However, they did their 440 mile test against the GSXR1000. Compared to the GSXR, the 1098 seat is higher, the pegs are further back, and you lean forward more, putting more weight on the wrists, therefore it is not as comfortable. The 1098 mirrors don't work, low speed tranny lash limits top gear flexibility. The 1098 has better fuel consumption figures but with the 15.5 litre tank they ran into reserve around 80 miles. The screen is lower. Service costs and bodywork replacement costs favour the 1098. IMO, while it's not a heads up comparison with the entire Japanese contingent it's a good indication of where it's going. I'm certain the 1098 will do well. It won't win the comparison, probably slotting in between 2nd and 4th in class. The performance figures did show that there really was nothing in it in terms of real world riding however. The overall sentiment was that BIKE was very impressed with 150 bhp from a v-twin. 
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That pulley business is scary. Everything else is what we live with messing with these things, but if the pulley or the cam belts go south, so does the top end....and quickly. I guess Ducati did that for weight purposes, but they should prolly rethink that detail.
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Ducati has already issued a recall.
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Typical italian schitt...;-)
They said reliability is up and service intervals half as expensive because twice as far apart and ten something like this.I love it...;-))They will never change.Nice toys,but nothing more... Plastic pulleys to save weight?No to save money...(for Ducati),probably sourced in china...Like the "beautiful" LCD dash.Anyone here still wearing one of those beautiful Casio LCD watches...;-))) Chris |
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It seem those 1/4 mile numbers are alittle off. 11s? those bikes are faster than that.
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In terms of longevity, "All new" usually isn't an improvement.
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Get em Chris
 . I wonder what else they skimped on. The Ole mighty metal appearance but with clay slippers.
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And is BMW any better? How many recalls on the new R1200S and the new K1200S ?
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They figured the average Ducati poser will never wear those chinese plastic pulleys out.They outlast the one track day and the few trips a year down to the local Starbucks when the sun is shining an the girls are wearing scimpys...;-))
I wonder since they cut corners so openly where else they they went cheap more hidden to increase their profits?!Maybe that was the bonus for Bayliss winning WSB?Plastic pulleys and cheap zip-ties attaching the wiring to the as also the money saved on dzus-fasteners replaced by cheap screws... Maybe the rockerarms are out of plastic too so they can't flake...;-))whih would be a plus.The slipper clutch a expensive aftermarket item and really necessary to get into the Starbucks Mall parkinglot...;-) At least Stoner won the MotoGP opener so Ducati fans can be happy to be on the bestest,fastet sportiest bike period.Very important for the fast "lifestyle" those guys live... Recalls;I thought BMW recalls their schitt befor it hits the market...;-) Like with the K1200S and the F800 that got a new rubber cushioned front pulley and no more clutch brake before it hit the CanAm shores... Recall on the R1200S??I hear they get recalled pretty soon to retrofit a decent two up seat,center stand and luggage rack...;-)),but that is fine with me!A good recall...Bad recall?Suzuki SV for leaking tank seams,the bomb... Chris |
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I feel no need to have defend BMW here. Even if Ducati did not actually have maintenance cost/ frequency issue in the past, they have themselves illuminated the "Less maintenance, Lower costs, Less weight" ...But..more horsepower issue. It is so ironic with the that kind of advertising to have installed plastic critical parts. No, this is a .stand alone goof-up. No defence needed. |
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I agree, money savings.
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